a the bottom of the food chain.

[oldgit]

Do the builders of new boats give a tinkers toss as to what sort of condition a boat is in by the time it gets to me as the 10th or 20th owner.Suspect craft would not sell if fitted with a spartan selection of quality fittings which will go the distance.
Many imported petrol sports jobbies appear to be concerned only with the first owner and tough poo to any one else further down the line.Ie chipboard and steel staples in the upholstery.

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[penfold]

beware of rant

Welcome to the world of built-in designed-in obsolescence! Accountants rule businesses these days, and the boating industry is no different. So if they think they can make an extra 20p profit by using cheapo staples, they will! You're absolutely correct, they really don't care about the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. owners, because there's no profit motive. That's the way the capitalist freemarket enterprise cake crumbles. The solution is..... er, there isn't one; just caveat emptor.

rant over

cheers,
david

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[cliffdale]

Imported boats??? pah, I recently rang Moodys up and asked them why they used mild steel through water tank fittings for the fresh water tanks. The inside bore on the fittings had become completly rusted up that water stopped flowing through the fittings.

I sent the fitting to Moodys and they sent me a nice letter back saying its their standard fit parts and hoped that i had many more happy years of sailing.

So, any Moody owners reading this, Is your tap water flowing as fast as it used to? Is your fresh water slightly redish in colour?? first signs so watch out.

CD

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[Medskipper]

Re: beware of rant

Yes I agree with all that, but its up to us, i.e. the customers who purchase new boats to only buy well built craft. This will make sure that after 20 plus years its still going strong! after all the purchaser of a new vessel is a potential seller at some stage and I assume will want the best price and as many people interested as possible in his second hand boat!

Barry


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[martynwhiteley]

Perhaps they do just a tad.

Let's face it, one of the best marketing scoops is for your product to be sought after on the second hand market. This allows you to sell new ones at a premium, hence hire margins.

Since boats live much longer than even the best cars, is it not more important for the mainstay boat builders to help ensure that resale values are maintained at a better than average level?

Perhaps GRP boats are just living too long, surpassing all their builders expectations.

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[Jim_44]

I am not as far down as 10th or 20th owner, but Sealine have alway been more than helpful with all my questions, I did not buy my boat from them direct and they have never made any money out of me.

So IMHO yes the boat builders do care, and as has already been said, a good re-sale value even for the 10th or 20th owner helps to sell new boats.

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[aztec]

wasn't gonna post.... oh well!

NO! builders don't build for longevity any more, but some don't build for warranty only.

the days of a well built boat are gone... and it's all our fault.

the consumer decides what they want, and at what price. the manufacturers alighn their design and build to what they are able to market. i still see adverts for boats built in the 1930's.. all made of good quality materials, with good quality workmanship...

ask yourself, how many boats built today, will be about in 100 years time?... i think you already know the answer!

late night rant from a very traditional bloke.... please ignore!

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[Captain Coochie]

bad maintenance , for every year a house does a boat does 5 years.
So by the time these new boat owners have taken there boat out twice its ten years old.
o well eh

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[gonfishing]

I cannot comment on the newer boats but my fairline is 30 in the new year and the hull and fittings are in very good shape and fairline dealers(Peters PLC) have been excellent, shame about V***O though!!!!

julian

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[lanason]

I agree - my Fairline is excellent and built in the late 70's - NO problems NONE, Zero, Diddly Squat, even went through the BSS with little effort

But the V***o - errmmm well.

Why is it that only Sealine build a small (S23) boat these days - Come on Fairline bigger is not better, lets see a nice Modern Holiday/Sprint - sportsboat - you know you want to really dont you.



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[Birdseye]

Why do you expect a boat to last for ever? You dont expect that of your car, your motorbike, the tv, the washing machine.So why your boat?

Shouldnt we expect to get rid of the old bangers when they start to give serious trouble, and replace with something newer?

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[oldgit]

Down here!

Aha but normally when you buy new you get something that has progressed or better ie.washing machine/dvd /computor/TV.No new boat I have seen is "better" than its 20 year old forerunner in fact some are worse.Decks you cannot walk along safely in the name of fashionable curves.Teardrop windows which block views to parts of the boat,and how much to replace a damaged one.No nipping down to local glass merchant for a piece of simple to size tinted glass.
and wots more that hull shape under your super dooper new boat i bet olesinski or shead or levi did that hull 30/40 years ago.If boats are any quicker today it is purely because they are constructed with a more lightweight layup.People can decide for themselves if this a good or bad thing.

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[Birdseye]

Re: Down here!

But a boat is more than its hull, just as a car is more than its bodywork. Maybe some modern hull forms have not really progressed (though that is not the case with raggies - a market that I know much better) but everything else in the boat, and that is the major part of the cost, has undoubtedly improved. So have hull materials for that matter - osmosis is largely a problem of old boats made from old type resins, for example.

And as for weight, well it was Uffa Fox who said that weight was only an advantage in steam rollers. I think he's right.

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[oldgit]

Re: Down here!

regards osmosis,think that early boats did not suffer over much from osmosis.That all came about when builders tried to cut corners with low quality resins in later years.Think also you will find newish boats with exactly the same problems.
See <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.yachtsurvey.com>http://www.yachtsurvey.com</A>.

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