A little ray of sunshine.....
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Chris_d
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I know we shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth, but I am still uncomfortable with how this is going to work? It doesn't apply to the vast majority of boats really does it, does anybody honestly use 40% of their diesel on heating and cooking etc... To get this we all have to lie, I don't even have a heater but could claim for running the engine to heat the hot water I suppose, but 40%. Perhaps I should just shutup /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Andrew_Fanner
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Engines at tickover 10kW
Heater full welly 3.5kW
Alternators produce 1.5kW
Top is all energy used, bottom two rows domestic use, ignoring that some of the 10kW also makes hot water.
In 10
Out 5
Balance 5, there's 50/50 without trying. Its inexact, alternators dont make that on tickover but the batteries still have to be fed so the energy they give out still has to go back. Heatr is not on all the time etc but you can see how it works.
Heater full welly 3.5kW
Alternators produce 1.5kW
Top is all energy used, bottom two rows domestic use, ignoring that some of the 10kW also makes hot water.
In 10
Out 5
Balance 5, there's 50/50 without trying. Its inexact, alternators dont make that on tickover but the batteries still have to be fed so the energy they give out still has to go back. Heatr is not on all the time etc but you can see how it works.
DWT
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I don't think this is ever really going to apply to most leisure boaters. The question and answer bit of the article says:
"where a purchaser knows that their propulsion use may be more or less than the above apportionment split or a craft clearly has no domestic use, then they must declare their actual intended usage."
There is no way I can declare that 40% of the fuel I use is for heating as I know the actual usage is minimal. Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxman. Some see this as perfectly acceptable. Personally I don't and will not do it.
As usual the cheats will benefit at the expense of the honest.
"where a purchaser knows that their propulsion use may be more or less than the above apportionment split or a craft clearly has no domestic use, then they must declare their actual intended usage."
There is no way I can declare that 40% of the fuel I use is for heating as I know the actual usage is minimal. Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxman. Some see this as perfectly acceptable. Personally I don't and will not do it.
As usual the cheats will benefit at the expense of the honest.
Chris_d
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Exactly, the whole issue of the domestic split was brought in to satisfy all those rows of barges and narrow boats in London and our Inland Waterways that never move or are long term cruising around the canals. All these peeps thinking they can apply it to seagoing cruisers and claim they have no idea what their usage will be are just kidding themselves. Personaly I think it may still be cheaper to take jerry cans down the garage for topping up on the river. I would only have to do it once a year or every two years, if I leave the tank less than full over the winter.
Andrew_Fanner
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Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxman. Some see this as perfectly acceptable
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Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxpayer. Some politicians this as perfectly acceptable
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Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxman. Some see this as perfectly acceptable
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Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxpayer. Some politicians this as perfectly acceptable
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DWT
Well-Known Member
"Basically it comes down to whether you are prepared to defraud the taxpayer. Some politicians this as perfectly acceptable"
I tend to favour the cock up theory rather than a deliberate act to rip us off, but whichever it is two wrongs don't make a right.
I tend to favour the cock up theory rather than a deliberate act to rip us off, but whichever it is two wrongs don't make a right.
apollo
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With the river in permanent flood these days, my usage for heating is far more than 40%, I feel almost like a residential myself!!!
Geoffs
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I'm quite happy to tell a porky, defraud the taxman/taxpayer whatever you like to call it.
Fill up and tell the attendant 60/40, he'll have costs worked out and be happy. Tell him 85/15, I doubt the average attendant will know what to do, (appolgies to all you fuel attendants with a PhD in Maths).
Fill up and tell the attendant 60/40, he'll have costs worked out and be happy. Tell him 85/15, I doubt the average attendant will know what to do, (appolgies to all you fuel attendants with a PhD in Maths).
Andrew_Fanner
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I'm quite happy to tell a porky, defraud the taxman/taxpayer whatever you like to call it.
Fill up and tell the attendant 60/40, he'll have costs worked out and be happy. Tell him 85/15, I doubt the average attendant will know what to do, (appolgies to all you fuel attendants with a PhD in Maths).
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I was "seeing to" a young lady who did work in such a manner. She has 2 degrees atm and is just finsihing her second MA. So there
OK, she only had one at the time!
I'm quite happy to tell a porky, defraud the taxman/taxpayer whatever you like to call it.
Fill up and tell the attendant 60/40, he'll have costs worked out and be happy. Tell him 85/15, I doubt the average attendant will know what to do, (appolgies to all you fuel attendants with a PhD in Maths).
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I was "seeing to" a young lady who did work in such a manner. She has 2 degrees atm and is just finsihing her second MA. So there
OK, she only had one at the time!