A Lady's Perogative

[EME]

A Lady\'s Perogative

Notwithstanding my continuing inability to influence the mental processes employed by SWWNBO, I find myself in a new/repeated predicament on the Boat Purchase front.

She's changed her mind again.

A brief resume of the saga to date...

- Major research on needs..South of France(we live there but I work here in UK). Day/Weekender/Fast enough to get about - 2 be kept 2/3 yrs. Comfortable enough to entertain / drink with friends

- Decision made (with much help from forum members). Cranchi Endurance 39, much testing involving many trips.

- Berth 'purchased' in La Rague

-Offers made (and accepted)..she visits different Endurance 39. Smelly(!!) ..decides didn't really like saloon layout anyway, and we discover potential issue with 39 A/con. OH no.

Current predicament she likes Sunseeker Superhawk 48 (who wouldn't but clever broker re-introduces her to one). I don't like price!! -
Anybody got a view on this model (Broom owners need not respond).
Is Mk 2 that much better than Mk 1? Worth more money?
Are KAD44s that much better than KAD 42s in this hull?

Anyone know a good cheap one for sale?

Anybody got any other options for a LARGE cockpit boat, I've dismissed the Fairline/Princess range as not being quite what we need...anything else anyone can think of?

I am also now SERIOUSLY considering a Boat Share ..Anyone genuinely interested in a 1-4 yr old boat this size or a little bigger. I would take 1/3 ,1/2 or 2/3 share , boat would be based in La Rague (next to La Napoule). I guess I could actually sell my berth and start again (No forget it...)

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

Well I'm a Broom owner but I've also had sports cruisers in the past so I'll comment anyway. The S48 is reputedly a fab boat but like the Endurance 39 there's not much accomodation below so dont expect to sleep your mates. Whilst its light and lean, the S48 is still a big lump of boat so 2 x KAD42 does'nt sound like it'll do the hull justice (after all, you would'nt want to be overtaken by a Broom?) and you might find it difficult to sell the boat on. 2 x KAD44 sounds about the minimum to me but much better to look at triple engine boats IMHO. I think 3 x KAD42 or better 3 x KAD44 should be good for 40knot+. If you want to go ballistic, 3 x petrol engines should make it fly
I guess you'll need a boat with a very powerful bowthruster. Mooring one of these stern to in a beam wind should be a hoot

 

[EME]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

I wish I hadn't made the Broom comment..I keep getting carried away with trying to wind people up and I was after genuine advice as well.

Any reliability differences between KAD 42s and 44s???

Not too worried about Bowthruster. Perfect excuse though for future mishaps due to incompetence...'Must gett more powerful Bowthruster for these Souwesterlies!!'

Pershing 88 opposite Berth , Camargue 44 to Port, Raggie to S/Board... Could just frighten some of my neighbours though

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[ccscott49]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

carmarge 44 to port, raggie to s/board, I've never heard of a raggie, who makes those? Just starting out and already slagging us raggies, bad start, bad start.

 

[EME]

A \'Raggie\'

This particular one is apparently made by someone called Beneteau. Distinguishing feature is extremely extended 'aerial' in centre of boat which has a number of strings attached.

Owner asked me to ensure that I didn't lower values by dirtying the water.

Any clues in that lot ? I can't really tell as I'm new around here....

Truth is I've never really noticed who the manufacturer is ..which indicates TOTAL ignorance on my part , but I can tell you the owner has a stunning young daughter...any other stereotypes that I can adhere to? I'd love to sail but you need wind I'm told ..in the Med there's either too much or too little as far as I can make out!



A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[ccscott49]

Re: A \'Raggie\'

Tis' true, in the med theres either too little, too much, or it's in the wrong direction, ie right on the nose! with the sea the other way!

 

[DavidJ]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

My worry with the KAD 44 is that it is pushing out 260 hp through an engine/drive that was originally designed for 200 hp and VP has not been without its problems. Secondly in the Med behind the glossy Boat Sales Shops are the old traditional service guys who have not been brought up with electronics so expect problems if you get in a fix.
For these two reasons I chose KAD 43's (230hp) against the 44's
The KAD 300 is even more disturbing at 285hp
David

 

[tcm]

Re: Bowthruster

Um, for a newbie, i'd recommend a bowthruster. In la rague where the fairways ain't big and the wind is always across the bows, you also need a bowthruster. On a sunseeker, you must load it up with goodies, cos newbies will buy it next, so need a bowthruster. So, you need a bowthruster.

If it ain't got bthruster, they can be retrofitted. This could be part of the deal.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

You should be worried about a bow thruster because a 48' boat with outdrives will be very easily blown about at the front when mooring so a bow thruster is nigh on essential. I cant comment about reliability only to say that I had a boat with KAD44's for one season and they were faultless but DavidJ is right to point out that this particular Volvo engine block is v. highly tuned in KAD44 and KAD300 spec. I would'nt like to have the maintenance bills in 10yrs time but for a 1-4 yr old boat you should'nt have any problems with either the 42 or 44 providing they've been maintained

 

[EME]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

DavidJ/Deleted User

Thanks for that lot. So the advice I seem to have is the boat NEEDS 3xKAD44 , but KAD42 is better bet as less stressed.

Oh well!!

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[EME]

Re: Bowthruster

TCM - Thanks.

All boats I'm looking at will have a Bowthruster. otherwise as I am on Quay 14, it could get a little hairy!

You've made me think though. I read somewhere that Sunseeker regularly do weak Guindeaux and also underpowered Bowthruters. What size Thruster would a boat like a 48 really need?



A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[tcm]

Re: Bowthruster

Um er er probly 50kgf vetus wd do? Others incl the dealer will have a better idea.

Quay 14 eh? That's the red one innit? Hope you aren't too near the dive boat at the eastern end. If you are, you need a million fenders or a steel boat.

 

[EME]

Quay 14

Oh well , can't expect you to know everything. Quay 14 is the one facing the outside quay. Colour blind me but thought all water was bluish not red.

I'm less than 1/2 way down, luckily some guy called TCM warned me about the diveboats there ages ago. Not bad adcvice.

However they've already moved a diveboat once to my knowledge , so I just gotta hope that BVDH keeps them away from me.

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[petem]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

Don't be such a tight arse. If she wants a Superhawk 48 then buy it for her. All you have to do is reach a little further under the mattress.

The difference between the MKI and MKII is that the MKI already looks dated however the MKII will shortly look dated (i.e. sometime round about next week).

The first thing you should be asking is 'am I going to sleep on it?'. Boats with a mid cabin (like the Cranchi) will have a slightly smaller cockpit, probably on two levels. The Sunseeker has no mid cabin but has a bigger and lower cockpit. The Sunseeker is also more of a high performance boat so don't buy one with small engines as you'll never be able to sell it on.

Other boats you may wish to consider are made by:-
Windy (the quality choice but big £££)
Pershing
Sealine (made in Kidderminster postmen)
Gobbi (Italian)
Astonda (Italian I think)
or praps something American like a Searay.

Re: smelly Cranchi.
I wouldn't worry as the smell if usually caused by the following:-
a) The dealer farting.
b) Full/dirty holding tank.
c) Dirty pipes leading in and out of the bog or wee around the toilet itself.

Both fairly easily sorted. Next time make sure you or the dealer airs the boat before your wife views it.

Trust this helps.

 

[Guest]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

I would not bother with kad 42 engines too old now and always trouble, 43 ok is update from 42 better cooled etc and more reliable 44 is same as 43 but all electronic, gearshift and throttles etc, more to go wrong, forget kad 300 are only 285 hp anyway marketing stunt against other ,makers, is really too stressed, definitely wont last 10 years then again the 41b and 42 arent doing too well in my dept just lately, better start looking again as I have, buy a shaft drive sportsboat now I know the accomodation size suffers but at the end of each season you can tell your lovely lady all about maintainance, and how much you have saved her, so she will be a lot nicer to you, she can spend the difference in costs on herself, that way you area happy man.

paul js.

 

[EME]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

To get her what she wants will result in my looking under everyone ellse's mattress. Could be sole case known to mankind of trade-in being cheaper to run including initial investment.

I like small Pershing as well. Real quality on the only one I've seen...Gobbi and Sea Ray I've kinda dismissed (why??)

Not looked at Astondoa..will do

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[EME]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

Thanks

The only S/Drive that I've liked in this type of boat is the Pershing 37...all others seem to be beamier. Am I missing some pearls?

Will look

A boat, a boat, my kingdom for a boat..

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: A Lady\'s Perogative

Buy the boat you want and sell the wife
I think there are few looking for a new wife here.

Beer. Now there's a temporary solution.

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: Thats not true!

One day we had perfect wind in the right direction right strength.

I could see as we took off from Palma to leave.

Beer! Now there's a temporary solution.

 

[ccscott49]

Re: Thats not true!

Now trhat did make me laugh, the same thing happened to me two weeks ago! tee hee