70' planing flybridge class leader?

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yeah it is nice I agree altough this is a big duel and involves other builders
the Azimut 7o F keep the concept of the 68 Plus / Evolution of a very low profile sport motor yacht
I personally would go for something more traditional like a Posillipo 70 Technema or San Lorenzo 72

if you want someting sleek as the Azimut not to forget the Fairline 68 Squadron in this size and the all time classic the Ferretti 681, Princess 21Mand not to forget to have a look at the Abacus 72....
 
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Yup, I like the way that Azimut are going with their interior design. Cool but comfortable unlike the current minimalist approach of say, Ferretti
 
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Think i'd take the Azimut over the Sunseeker. My personel taste suggests the Sunseeker would age quicker,just looking a little old hat in my opinion.
Now i wonder if they'd part-ex my rinker 212 and a bag full of i owe you's /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Think i'd take the Azimut over the Sunseeker. My personel taste suggests the Sunseeker would age quicker,just looking a little old hat in my opinion.
Now i wonder if they'd part-ex my rinker 212 and a bag full of i owe you's /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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this a big problem with SS as they change models if you are lucky after 3 years, sometimes even quicker
for example the 44 Cam was a succesful boat but in 2003 it was changed for the 46 Portofino, this later then was also changed to the hard top 47 Porto
I still think that among all these the 44 Cam looks best, altough it is not so good of a seaboat but still it most the succesful of the of the 3 and Sseekers sold a lot of these
 
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I am in love! It also seems they took a few hints from the T50 mon the flybridge. Personally I think the T50 flybridge design is the best around 50ft...

Amazing boat that is....if only!

Paul /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Very very nice. Yes, that must be a top contender for best 70-footer

I'd be very cautious about the hattan 70. At least seatrial it at length before you buy. imho there might be something badly wrong with that hull as it is (in my experience) max 21 knots with the Man1360s at WOT, which hints at some kind of design mistake possibly
 
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Exterior styling's a bit busy for my liking, but love the interior. Master cab is fab, and those helm seats are gorgeous. Interesting galley idea, I think you'd have to see it in the flesh to know whether it works or not.
 
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this a big problem with SS as they change models if you are lucky after 3 years, sometimes even quicker

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That is the basis of their marketing strategy. Many of their customers are the kind of consumer who always want to be seen with the latest model so Sunseeker change their model range on a regular basis to encourage owners to trade up. Quite clever really
 
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yeah Deleted User but there models loose money as hotcakes after that, ok its important to present new models all the time but IMO sometimes they exagerate
I can list a lot SS which lasted only 3 years in production
on the other end Azimut have a run up with the models some of them lasting as long as 8 years with minor modifications if not more, which is something I like when buying a boat
 
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I tend to agree with you for some of their models but I think it's a function of the kind of boats they make, some of which are just rich kids toys with mega engines and little accomodation which date quickly and then find few buyers on the 2ndhnd market. But thats not always the case. I've been keeping an eye on Manhattan 50 prices and early ones are still around the £500k mark which is not a lot less than they cost new. But whatever Sunseeker are doing, they're doing something right because they are the most successful UK builder and with a globally recognised brand
 
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Nice Nice Nice................bit strange how the helm controls are int right hand ont fly and left hand inside.
 
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That's nothing.
It's the placement of the whole helm on port side which is stupid, particularly inside.
Some builders do not even seem to think about it, amazingly...
Very nice toy in many other respects, though.
 
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I tend to agree with you for some of their models but I think it's a function of the kind of boats they make, some of which are just rich kids toys with mega engines and little accomodation which date quickly and then find few buyers on the 2ndhnd market. But thats not always the case. I've been keeping an eye on Manhattan 50 prices and early ones are still around the £500k mark which is not a lot less than they cost new. But whatever Sunseeker are doing, they're doing something right because they are the most successful UK builder and with a globally recognised brand

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real selling prices for Manhattan is -600 EUs for 2007 older models above that you dont sell it, as then customers look for other boats ie. AZ 55, Aic 56, FL 58 Sq and Fer 53
older models tend to go for less, a 50 Ma in EU sold for 500 EU with VAT paid status a few months ago, that was before the stock market was going down like the Niagra falls....
a client of mine also sold a 53 Portofino spot less nearly new boat, with only 200 hours and we just got 550 also VAT paid out of this, we started asking 750 to this reduced to 650 and somehow it sold
I agree on the image and of selling new but Sseeker still come last to hold there value out of the UK builders, dont know why, there interior are finished the nicest of the crop and also exterior fittings are the best in the UK, older models tended to suffer gel chipping on upper deck after 10 years, dont know if this is still the case with the new ones but...
 
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I have to say that the azimut is nice, but having been on the manhattan, it is a very nice boat and the interior in the sunseeker is the best on a 70` for me. How much will the azimut be? I know the sunseeker price.
 
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Yeah but have you driven the 'hattan? How did it go? How far did you get (compared with other 70ers) before you had to put another €5k of fuel in?
 
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Asking prices of Man 50's are still £500k+. Obviously they sell for less but with 1£ nearly equal to 1€, then a selling price of €500k is not that far away
 
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Thanks for all the comments folks. Interesting.

Here are some additional pics, including the saloon (the saloon windows, looking from the inside, out, are my favourite feature) and layout.

http://nautica.st/index.php/content/view/903/52/

I still prefer the Manhattan overall, but the Azimut has more drama, and I like the way the galley can be opened or closed to the saloon and dining table depending on who's doing the cooking.

Talking of Sunseeker product cycle times, my friend with a Manhattan and another on order was complaining to the Azi dealer here last week about the very same thing.
 
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