50' Sports Cruisers with Full-beam owners cabin?

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Went to the boat show today to look at some options and ideas for our proposed sail-to-power, to help my wife understand a bit about what you can get for your money, what the styles are, and what she likes. Had a lovely day in the sun. Anyway, we spent some time on the Princess V50, which we liked a lot, it has a full beam owners cabin. I think the new Fairline Targa 48 is similar. Apart from the Sealine SC47, all the used sports cruisers around that kind of size that we've seen have the master in the bow and a skinny twin aft, this Princess was miles better (from that perspective). No way we can afford the new ones, so the question is whether you know of any open or h/t models from say 2000 onwards, that have that cabin arrangement?
 
Of that vintage the only thing that immediately springs to mind is the Sunseeker Predator 56 two cabin - which is obvs a bit bigger than your 50 foot criteria. IPS is what has unlocked the mid cabin space in the size class you're talking about - and that wasn't available in c.2000.
 
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Whitelighter said:
Prestige 50s has two layouts, both with the master cabin amid ships.
The two cabin option has a full beam cabin, the three cabin version has bunks to port of the mid master.

Here is a 2 cabin boat from 2007 for well under £200k
https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/1559342/?searchid=16149010&page=1

Atlantis 50 I think also has a mid master
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Hmm not sure about the Atlantis 50, think it is two cabins midships, one twin, one
double. Not a full beam master. 50x4 might be though?
 
Atlantis 50 which then became 54 with different cockpit is traditional forward main cabin.

Atlantis 50x4 has full beam midships as was the 47 launched in 2003 and offered in HT in 2008. 50x4 had option of third cabin.
Atlantis 48 (50) is also full beam, and has shafts and nice Cummins 600hp engines.

Interesting is that the new 51 with big IPS800 and 600hp engines has owners cabin forward.

Other full beam midship cabin boats are the Absolute 47 and Cranchi 43 Mediterranee, both with IPS pod drives.
 
The Princess V56 was offered with an alternative layout of a full-beam master cabin amidships.

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Rare as rocking horse poo to find on the used market and at approx 57 feet may be a bit far from your 50' target, but perhaps another option to think about if you liked the V50.

http://www.santarelli-marine.fr/details-princess-v56-185-nathalie-713-en.html


We too looked over the V50 at the Cannes show and I love the two-cabin layout - the default layouts of the V57 and V58 seem a bit squished by comparison. The wife however insists on a 3 cabin layout so we can have the kids+guests on board at the same time and not have to chose either or. Take my kids on the boat VS take my inlaws on the boat - hmmmm!

Hey ho.





Good luck with the search!
 
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PowerYachtBlog said:
Interesting is that the new 51 with big IPS800 and 600hp engines has owners cabin forward.
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Very interesting to read that.
If there's something I couldn't be less interested in nowadays, it's the market development of new models.
But this strikes me of something that confirms an old pet peeve of mine, i.e. that in any monohull (unless larger than 60 feet at the very least), placing the master cabin at the bow is by far the best solution for optimizing the overall interior layout.

Not that I ever doubted for a second about the builders capacity to understand this, but it will be interesting to see if Azimut, who are among the first (if not THE first) who started luring buyers with the oh so fashionable full beam cabin and side windows also in mid 50 feet boats, will now be able to reconvert boaters to the many advantages of the opposite solution.
 
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MapisM said:
...But this strikes me of something that confirms an old pet peeve of mine, i.e. that in any monohull (unless larger than 60 feet at the very least), placing the master cabin at the bow is by far the best solution for optimizing the overall interior layout.Not that I ever doubted for a second about the builders capacity to understand this, but it will be interesting to see if Azimut, who are among the first (if not THE first) who started luring buyers with the oh so fashionable full beam cabin and side windows also in mid 50 feet boats, will now be able to reconvert boaters to the many advantages of the opposite solution.
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Interesting, why do you say that? Reason I ask is that we really impressed by that V50. Much better layout than the older model which have a good bow cabin but the twin is much smaller, low ceiling. None of that in the V50, and the saloon / galley / heads seemed very spacious too. So for boat-show appeal, it was a winner.
 
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Scala said:
Interesting, why do you say that? Reason I ask is that we really impressed by that V50. Much better layout than the older model which have a good bow cabin but the twin is much smaller, low ceiling. None of that in the V50, and the saloon / galley / heads seemed very spacious too. So for boat-show appeal, it was a winner.
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The difference is this. That the Italians think about the propulsion stuff a lot, at least most of them do.
If for them an IPS800 boat goes better then IPS600 boat and they lose the midships cabin for this they will do it.
The Princess V48/50 is just right powered. I am being a bit gentle here because if you are full on fuel, and have stuff of four persons that boat will go at 28 knots WOT cruise down from 23 to 21. Consumption at 6.5 liters per nm. Definitely not super numbers a 16 ton 14 to 15 meter with only 435hp from 5.5 liter D6.
 
Scala said:
Interesting, why do you say that? Reason I ask is that we really impressed by that V50. Much better layout than the older model which have a good bow cabin but the twin is much smaller, low ceiling. None of that in the V50, and the saloon / galley / heads seemed very spacious too. So for boat-show appeal, it was a winner.
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I would agree with this and are equally interested in why one would think not. I get seriously conflicted looking for my next 50 ish feet boat and comparing to newer ips engined models.
 
Scala said:
Interesting, why do you say that? Reason I ask is that we really impressed by that V50. Much better layout than the older model which have a good bow cabin but the twin is much smaller, low ceiling. None of that in the V50, and the saloon / galley / heads seemed very spacious too. So for boat-show appeal, it was a winner.
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It's a rather simple geometrical matter.
The forward section of a hull up to about 5m wide and 17m long has just about the perfect spaces to fit a nice master cabin at the bow and two "parallel" guest cabins. This way, the cabins space is very efficiently optimized.
Full beam master cabins are obviously larger and grant the "wow" effect at boat shows, but they screw the rest of the layout.
In fact, you can still have a bow cabin, but there's no more decent/logical room left for the third one, which requires funny and impractical design tricks.

This is the big difference with 70+ footers, where between the full beam master and the bow cabin there is still enough space left for a very nice placement of two other parallel guest cabins.
In fact, it's no coincidence that you could find this layout already 30+ years ago - with no large hull windows of course, but the mid master cabin as such has been around for decades, in boats whose size allowed it.
Otoh, back then, no builder would have dreamed of using a less efficient layout on a sub-60' boat, where arguably space optimization is even more important.

All that said, I must admit that I was mostly referring to flybridge boats, and I'm not familiar with the V50 that you mention.
Otoh (just to pick a boat which is rather well known here - I could name several others), just consider the Squadron 58 and her layout.
I'll gladly award a virtual cigar to anyone who can name one single modern f/b in that size bracket and with full beam master cabin (of which there's plenty) that goes anywhere near the Sq58 in terms of overall space usage efficiency.

Personal preference is another thing, mind: if you like a larger cabin and you don't care about the lack of utility space, ensuite heads in guest cabin, small galley, or whatever, who am I to argue?
What I'm saying is that strictly in terms of efficient space usage, there are very good reasons why sub-60' boats have been built for decades with the master cabin at the bow... :encouragement:
 
MapisM said:
It's a rather simple geometrical matter.The forward section of a hull up to about 5m wide and 17m long has just about the perfect spaces to fit a nice master cabin at the bow and two "parallel" guest cabins. This way, the cabins space is very efficiently optimized.Full beam master cabins are obviously larger and grant the "wow" effect at boat shows, but they screw the rest of the layout.In fact, you can still have a bow cabin, but there's no more decent/logical room left for the third one, which requires funny and impractical design tricks....All that said, I must admit that I was mostly referring to flybridge boats, and I'm not familiar with the V50 that you mention....Personal preference is another thing, mind: if you like a larger cabin and you don't care about the lack of utility space, ensuite heads in guest cabin, small galley, or whatever, who am I to argue?What I'm saying is that strictly in terms of efficient space usage, there are very good reasons why sub-60' boats have been built for decades with the master cabin at the bow... :encouragement:
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Ah OK thanks. For three cabins I get it, but we only want two, I don't want a utility, or a crew cabin. The V50 is a sports cruiser not a FB obviously but most sports cruisers over about 40' seem to have the guest ensuite too. I've little experience (as you can probably tell) of the many models but I found that V50 very compelling (but still remarkably unaffordable, hence my Q...!)
 
Hi Scala.

I also looked at the Princess V50 at the boat show. A stunning boat with superb built quality. :)
 
In some ways I wish we'd never seen it! 'cos I can't afford one or even close... So of the non-FB boats I could afford on a budget of about 200k, older non-IPS boats from the usual suspects seem to have less accommodation in more length, or I could look at IPS boats from eg Beneteau or Sealine that have other challenges, not least the styling, to which I have discovered that my wife is very sensitive.
 
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