4G Dongle Test - surprising good results for boat connection to net

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Hi all
Just about to dive back into the market and buy next boat. So have been working on design for boats AV system.

I need the fastest and most reliable internet connection possible capable of me working from the boat during the day and supporting an evening of me watching BBC Iplayer on a smart TV, while teenagers bash the net with Ipads from there cabin. Before anyone suggests we stop using the AV and return to real boating and play scrabble by oil lamp together we just don't like doing that enuf said.

So, initially, I was working on Wifi Boosters etc to make sure that I got the best "air connection" possible. Then I remembered that most of the marinas I have been to seem to have a very poor/slow setup. Good for emails etc but not for downloading a film or a lync video call to the office. That said its cheap so it has a role to play in the design but was not sure if it should be the primary connection to the net.

I had heard that the 4G networks were going to offer huge step up in speed and reliability and so being curious I decided to test it. Well WOW is all I can say.
I bought the EE 4G Alcatel dongle £39.99 and plugged in, it took a few calls to the router support team to get it online and out here in Herts where my house is I got a poor 1% connection strength... hence wasn't hopeful of any massive performance.

So was very surprised when fired up the Samsung Smart TV and connected to BBC Iplayer. Firstly it connected fine...secondly left it running for couple of hours, no buffering at all!
Then tried a test Lync video call to the office all good. YCAM security camera streaming good to. Sonos radio also good. various combos no problem..

I am so impressed at the Umph in this test that am thinking of doing away with marina wifi option and investing in another dongle (the draytek router can support two USB dongle connections) from a different network provider and getting the router to load balance/fall back across the two connections. That way if we have a problem on one network it should switch to the other without interrupting throughput. Anyway just thought I would share as could be useful for a few of the tech types.
 

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How many Gigs did your £40 buy you? Every time I look at 4G, the cost of the data makes it extortionate if you use it for what it is designed for.
 

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Am I understanding this right Martin?...1 4G dongle which is plugged directly into the smart TV and then all other devices connect to that single dongle wirelessly yes?
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tes bench set up

Am I understanding this right Martin?...1 4G dongle which is plugged directly into the smart TV and then all other devices connect to that single dongle wirelessly yes?
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Hi Lisa

I have attached a picky of the test bench I set up. The dongle plugs into the router. The router runs a wifi for all wifi devices on the boat and several smart TV's, SONOS systems and Cameras connected by Ethernet cables.
 

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The £40 got me the dongle and them i bought a month of data because this was a test.

The price plan goes something like £26 pcm for 8GB and £50 for 50Gb is its on there site if you need more. I have just noticed that if you buy more than 3GB you get the double speed 4G ...What ever that is !!

I went for the top end so praps that why its got so much umph..to be honest I have top speed BT infinity at home and I cant detect any difference..

For just entertainment that may be a problem but for me being able to work from the boat its a good deal.
I get Soooooo much more out of a day there than a day in the office ;-)
 

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I've got a 3/4G permanent router in the boat, gives me internet and a hotspot for everything (tv, media player etc) and everyone on the boat. When in Sweden where I live I stick it with a "sister" sim card that I get from my provider for my mobile subscription. Its a plan with unlimited usage nationally.
When crossing to another country I go and get a cash based sim card, usually for 3 mth's with whatever gigabytes I want to pay for and change the card in the router (once you have the card you can refill on the internet).
It works super well and many times I get higher data speeds than I get at my house. Its not unusual that the neighboring boat is struggling to read his morning paper on his ipad using the local wifi spot while we have a great connection. Perhaps even more interesting is not thinking about the hot spots and how to get to them, internet is just always there without me or any other crew member thinking about it.
I realize it may be different in the UK but I would assume most popular harbors have perfectly ok 3 or 4g connection. Anyway just wanted to confirm my experience in relation to this topic and encourage anyone who wants to try, its cheap and easy.
 

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its cheap and easy.

I wont dispute the easy bit, but cheap it aint everywhere!

just checked here in Greece it's 20euro for 3GB on 4G per month! That's simply a joke.
I use .5GB per month on my mobile checking emails and minimal web/news use...

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Ok, its all relative of course but usually one don't need a monthly subscription. Have you checked a 3 months prepaid plan? I found that there are many variants and prices differs quite a bit (that being the situation in sweden, denmark and germany) and as I indicated getting a twin card on your already mobile incl 3/4G subscription is at least in my case just another €5 a month.

I wont dispute the easy bit, but cheap it aint everywhere!

just checked here in Greece it's 20euro for 3GB on 4G per month! That's simply a joke.
I use .5GB per month on my mobile checking emails and minimal web/news use...

cheers

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The point

Ok, its all relative of course but usually one don't need a monthly subscription. Have you checked a 3 months prepaid plan? I found that there are many variants and prices differs quite a bit (that being the situation in sweden, denmark and germany) and as I indicated getting a twin card on your already mobile incl 3/4G subscription is at least in my case just another €5 a month.

My original post was not about cheap. As I said if you want cheap stay with marina or some other wifi and be happy. With that. My point was that 4g performance is now way better than I had imagined and can compete with cable broadband networks we have at home. So for those of us that are happy to pay for that performance it offers an alternative that simply was not there before and allows me to design a solution that previously would have been pointless....such as a smart tv in the saloon that can't be used as a smart tv because the onboard internet connection can't support that functionality.

For me...it's worth the price but it may not be for everyone
 

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Could you do me a favour, and run a speedtest... What sort of ping are you getting

Www.Speedtest.net
It's very location dependent. I have EE 4G on one 4G enabled device. Using speedtest.net, I've had everything from 43.65 MBPS download with 49 ms ping, to 0.53 MBPS download with 76 ms ping on same device in different locations.
Three has much more consistency, though not at such top end speeds.
 

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I dont suppose you have tried it with online gaming :) modern warfare or anything...
I have two broadband connections, into a triple wan router.... Unfortunately the double of sh!t is still sh!t.....
 

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nope! :) The problem with most of the packages is the amount of bandwidth you get. It's not unlimited and very costly beyond your monthly allowance.
 

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Gaming is not massively heavy on usage... What it does need to be though is FAST... Low latency... Mines ****....
Ill give it a go though, and may try it on the boat too :)
My favourite for getting online around the country at decent speed and at home is Three 3G dongle, which gives me about 8-9 MBPS consistent speed, other than odd glitches, on edge of Cotswolds, but only 15GB usage a month
 

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My original post was not about cheap. As I said if you want cheap stay with marina or some other wifi and be happy. With that. My point was that 4g performance is now way better than I had imagined and can compete with cable broadband networks we have at home. So for those of us that are happy to pay for that performance it offers an alternative that simply was not there before and allows me to design a solution that previously would have been pointless....such as a smart tv in the saloon that can't be used as a smart tv because the onboard internet connection can't support that functionality.

For me...it's worth the price but it may not be for everyone

I don't think there is any doubt that, if you are in a supported area, and can afford it, 4G will be fast, (mostly).

I find my smart TV works fine on Three's 3G system, (catch up TV and other apps). I also find that the Sky Go app on the laptop, (connected to the TV), works fine. Virgin Media's TV Anywhere app needs more bandwidth, so is generally irritating.
 

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Three have all you can eat data and smart phone tethering as standard so no need for a dongle...I'm getting through around 40gb per month, all from use on the boat streaming Skygo, Netflix etc with now problems.

Down stream is around 6mbs in Falmouth Marina and Ive had no problems, other than wife and child stealing my hotspot!
When they roll out a reasonable 4g coverage I imagine EE, O2 et al will have to follow suit....
 
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