Greenline hybrid.

Berniebob said:
(...) I own a secondhand Greenline Hybrid which I like, obviously.
It came with the Greenpad monitoring system but did not come with an iPad. Did not consider this a problem as I already own various iPads. What I did not consider was the fact I do not appear to be able to find the app for it though. Does anyone have any guidance for me please?
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Berniebob: Try this site-- https://download.cnet.com/ios/morftec/3260-20_4-10067665-1.html. I'm not at all sure that has what you need, but it appears to. As to whether it will function under the current version(s) of iOS is another issue, too.

FYI, I was at the Chicago Boat Show a few weeks back looking at the Greenline 40. The sales reps indicated Greenline now uses 'ConnectedBoat' https://connectedboat.eu/ as their remote systems monitoring app. Not sure it's as full-featured as the GreenPad concept.

Finally: As a potential owner, I'm very interested in learning about your Greenline purchase and ownership experience. I'll PM you. (Unless you prefer to start a thread -- there has been some interest on this forum in the past, but you're the first GL owner to show up here that I can find. It could be useful information for others.)
 
BB, thank you for your replies. Alas, your private message storage is full (very limited @ YBW, I gather) so I can't send you another. You can delete messages or PM me with your e-mail address, whichever you prefer. Thanks!
 
rallison said:
BB, thank you for your replies. Alas, your private message storage is full (very limited @ YBW, I gather) so I can't send you another. You can delete messages or PM me with your e-mail address, whichever you prefer. Thanks!
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Hi Rick
Did you get my previous message ?
Regards
Bernie
 
I got your message of the 14th, but I can't send you a reply -- when I do the forum tells me your message box is full and cannot accept more PMs. Feel free to contact me directly at my gmail account, allison.public
 
For those who own a Greenline hybrid, I would like to know your feedback:
- What model do you own and the year ?
- What engine configuration you have?
- The reliability of the electrical motors ? any problem encountered ?
- The reliability of the battery ? any problem encountered ? Any overheat ?
- Have you experience traveling from port to port only with electrical mode ?
- What are the cruising speeds have you experienced in electric mode ?
- How does the weather impact the cruising speed in electric mode ?
- Was the premium price to have the hybrid mode worth the price ?
 
rallison said:
Berniebob: Try this site-- Morftec - Download.com. I'm not at all sure that has what you need, but it appears to. As to whether it will function under the current version(s) of iOS is another issue, too.

FYI, I was at the Chicago Boat Show a few weeks back looking at the Greenline 40. The sales reps indicated Greenline now uses 'ConnectedBoat' ConnectedBoat as their remote systems monitoring app. Not sure it's as full-featured as the GreenPad concept.

Finally: As a potential owner, I'm very interested in learning about your Greenline purchase and ownership experience. I'll PM you. (Unless you prefer to start a thread -- there has been some interest on this forum in the past, but you're the first GL owner to show up here that I can find. It could be useful information for others.)
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I am thinking to buy a new Greenline 40, does any one already have and any comments feedbacks about the boat? I appreciate your ideas and advices before I take the final decision.
 
Bodsail said:
I am thinking to buy a new Greenline 40, does any one already have and any comments feedbacks about the boat? I appreciate your ideas and advices before I take the final decision.
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It does seem electric propulsion is the future . Although the future may be at a slower pace than some people would prefer.
Full electric would be better than hybrid of course.
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I think the hybrid is something you buy if you really want that. There isn’t much of a rational case for one unless you were planning very low speeds in inland waterways. the Greenline 40 will do about 4 knots on electric for about 3 hours so a range of 12NM going at a crawl. So essentially useless for anything other than niche uses like a river boat.

you can but the boat with just diesel propulsion too.
 
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Whippersnapper said:
I think the hybrid is something you buy if you really want that. There isn’t much of a rational case for one unless you were planning very low speeds in inland waterways. the Greenline 40 will do about 4 knots on electric for about 3 hours so a range of 12NM going at a crawl. So essentially useless for anything other than niche uses like a river boat.

you can but the boat with just diesel propulsion too.
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I think the solar range is even greater, once the batteries are depleted you can go at about 1.5 knots as long as the sun shines
 
Maybe but 1.5kn is basically drifting, sounds good but totally useless in practice and would only be possible with no wind or tide
 
Whippersnapper said:
Maybe but 1.5kn is basically drifting, sounds good but totally useless in practice and would only be possible with no wind or tide
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Well it does have some features worth having. You don’t need a generator to run 230v. But the hybrid might be of marginal benefit and you can get them without the hybrid option
 
Bouba said:
I think the solar range is even greater, once the batteries are depleted you can go at about 1.5 knots as long as the sun shines
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I can swim faster than that and I have the hydrodynamic properties of a breeze block. Not only that but I’m renewable (providing you shovel enough food and alcohol into me) and my only gaseous emission is methane
 
I believe the future is with hydrofoil; have a look the following video
and check the power when running at slow speed vs at cruise speed; almost the same with decent speed and range. However, the price for this type of boat is too high. If this technology was applied on the Greenline 40 or 45 with a reasonable price, that would be great.
 
ptalbot said:
I believe the future is with hydrofoil; have a look the following video
and check the power when running at slow speed vs at cruise speed; almost the same with decent speed and range. However, the price for this type of boat is too high. If this technology was applied on the Greenline 40 or 45 with a reasonable price, that would be great.
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That was the amazing thing about the Greenline, despite it being the first hybrid, was they never charged a premium. It was always reasonably priced
 
Just chiming in. In addition to learning much about these boats (among others, as I get ready to buy a boat for myself) I've been conversing with folks who own Greenline 40 (Diesel) and Greenline 40 Hybrid boats; here's one of the key things I've learned:

To think of the Solar and Electric assist capabilities as a fuel- or cost-saving measure is to mistake what the boat's hybrid design does for you. (Though they will save you some fuel, it won't make up for the cost difference when buying a new boat; second-hand pricing shows very little difference between the standard and hybrid versions.) But...

...the boat does a number of things no other production boat in this class really does:

1. Silent, zero-fuel day-trips, harbor tours, local excursions, etc.; if under 20 miles, full electric at 5.9kts. Silent, no fumes, normal conversation among passengers, no disruption to nature, no emissions. Switch to the diesel engines for two hours or so (at normal speeds) and the batteries will fully recharge. Or as noted, cruise at trolling speeds all day. No need for wind. A mast & sail-free sailboat, if you will.​
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2. Reduce the accumulation of idle-speed hours on your diesels, reducing a lot of wear and tear on the engines. All your 'no-wake' zone, locking, station-holding, marina maneuvering etc. can be done as above: Silent, no fumes, normal conversation among passengers, no disruption to nature, no emissions.​
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3. Long periods on the hook with NO generator running. Enough power for all your appliances including climate control, lighting, big fridge/freezer, cooktop, etc. Again: Silent, no fumes, normal conversation among passengers, no disruption to nature, no emissions. If you love being in nature to experience it--rather than dominate it--this is the heart of the hybrid's value to me.​
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4. No need to pay for dockside power, metered or otherwise--unless you're in the arctic circle in the winter.*​

Again, I don't rep for GL, nor any other outfit. I'm just an enthusiast. But I 'get' how this boat works, and I just wanted to emphasize that the electric motive power of the hybrid version is NOT intended to replace the diesels for getting from point A to point B. They're intended to save the diesels from idle-speed torture and provide a better quality of experience for sightseeing/anchoring & mooring.



*Which you won't be unless something goes really, really wrong. ;-)
 
That is the understanding/advantages that I see with this boat.

For your point #4, I would say that it is much cheaper to pay the electricity at dockside, once in a while, then getting the electricity from the diesel engine. Sometimes, the electricity is included with the docking fees. If my calculations are right, it should cost 0.2 to 0.25E per kwh from the docking fees in Europe while it would cost 0.45E from a generator on diesel (depends on the generator type). Not clear how it would cost to recharge the battery when running on diesel engine but I would expect to be more than the 0.2 to 0.25E per kwh.
 

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Oh, sorry if I wasn't clear; at dockside the solar panels supply enough power to charge the batteries and run the consumers, etc.; batteries supply the same amount of power overnight. So there's no need to run the engines as generators. Zero cost, basically.
 
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