40' transport costs from greece

[ian38_39]

Hi,

With the pound strengthening a bit I am looking at the possibility of bagging a bargain abroad, not sure if it is viable hence the question.

Has anyone moved a tax paid boat from the med or in the case of the one I am thinking about the Greek Islands and if so what sort of costs were involved?

Ian

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Whitelighter's your man for this, but I believe he's crossed over to the dark side this weekend and is crewing a saily boat to Cherbourg. Might be worth a pm though.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

[nimbusgb]

Sorry cant help with a fixed price, the answer is 'it depends'

Overland Venice to Amsterdam £5000 transport only.

Deck cargo Athens to Southampton £17000 all in including stevedores, cranes etc. ( only bothered with one quote )

Delivery by sea have had quotes from £1000 ( to SOF, professional skipper of this parish who suddenly disappeared about a month before the trip was to take place after I said yes ) to £9000 ( all the way, excluding marina fees and fuel !)

I reckon on 2 - 3 weeks Greek Islands to South of France and then 6 weeks minimum up through the canals. Looks like that's what I'll do end of next year. Move to SOF, winter on the hard at Navy dockyard there and then tootle up the canals in a leisurely fashion with family / friends having a week or two afloat in exchange for putting canal miles under the keel. Family to get a couple of long weekends in France aboard.

Mast will come overland on a sailplane trailer and get a complete re-rig and powder coat in time for rerig before channel crossing.

All in with cars, ferries, trailer etc I reckon trip will cost < 2k.

 

[scej]

you could look at getting the boat to italymaybe genoa area within next week or so if you have purchased and maybe get a return load from any of the boat transport guys taking stuff for thr genoa boat show.

I did a trip from Gouvia to rome a few weeks ago with a boat we whee delayed by a couple of days with coolant problems but did 600 miles in effectivly a day and a half in good weather i had skippered the boat previously so knew it well i would say 5 days should easily see the boat in south of france somwhere where it could be loaded to a truck on a return load cost for skipper and crew would be around £1400 plus expenses.

Fuel will be the biggest expense if you can give a clue what it is and what engines you could get an idea of fuel cost. bringing it back all the way by sea could be an option provided your insures would allow a run up the portugese coast and across the biscay in october.
or talk to peters and May about shipping from Italy as there should be some ships coming back this way shortly also you could look at getting the boat to the heel of italy and trucking it from there.

 

[Halcyon Yachts]

Hi Ian,

It is difficult to give you an exact price, as this depends on the boat and time of year. Please give me a call sometime if you wish to discuss your options in more detail.

Regards

Pete
07966 537992

 

[Whitelighter]

Hi Ian,

Back from the dark side as Jimmy put it - tired but happy

Greece is a bit of a pain for road transport, in fact forget it. Anything big is a logistical nightmare as the permits and restrictions add massive costs. Ditto with Italy.

There are two routes for a decent sized boat out Greece, well three maybe, and they all have complications. The first two are for a sea transport, either all of the way back or part of the way back. If the boat you are looking at is on the islands then it is possible to go from Bodrum in Turkey either to northern Europe of a bit further up the med to France or Spain. If you cant get a ship out of Turkey, then you need to get your new toy to Piraeus - there are plenty of general cargo ships who will take a boat on a RoRo basis. You do need the help of a port agent however, I tried without and was stone walled at every turn. Once I paid an agent everything happened in a matter of hours.

Cost wise, I shipped a 10m boat back from Piraeus in 2006 and the total cost including insuance, loading and unloading and cradle rental was a little over £7,000.

The alternative, which would have been my preferred route had the damn thing not broken on me, was to take the boat on her own bottome to Slovenia (part of the EU). This is a nice trip as you get to boat in Croatia but it is not straight forward as you cannot enter Albanian water in a motor boat - you must cross from Greece to Italy and then cross back to Croatia. Its still a nice trip, and once you get to Slovenia then you can get no end of road transport to cherbourg/holland for resonable rates. 2006 costs were €2600 for the road transport Slovenia-Cherbourg, about €300 for the lifts each end plus whatever fuel you use getting the boat up there. I was budgeting on about £1500 fuel spend so delivered back in blighty for around £3800 (at 2006 euro rates - be a bit more now) - plus I was going to have a nice 2 week holiday doing it.

This is all a bit academical at the moment until you find the boat, but my point is it is doable but needs to be planned. I suspect you will find most bargains on the islands the furthest away from the mainland - Kos, Rhodes etc because they are a ******* to get back hence the price drop. The Greeks love papaerwork, and dealing with deregistering etc etc plus have transit permits, permission and wotnot can be a bit of a pain but if you decide to go ahead I would be happy to talk it all through with you. Somewhere on this forum is a half decent write up of the fun I had with my boat. Dunno if it still exists after the forum update but if it does have a read, but dont let it put you off. I made some basic errors when I did it, so I offer it in part as an example of how, in some ways, it shouldnt be done.

If there is any other help I can provide let me know.

 

[ian38_39]

Hi All,

Thanks for the responses, Looks like it is not going to be all that easy then, did seem a lot of boat for the money.

The boat is in Lefkas and has dimensions of 37' x 12'3" and a height of around 17'

Twin shaft Flybridge

not knowing the boat in a trust sort of way I would not like to be relying on it to cover thousands of mile or even hundreds really, looks like Italy may be doable if I was brave.


If Whitelighter is still in the Ball park and it could be done for 10k or less it is still realistic, any more and it would not be worth while.

the other issue is the amount of time I would have to invest in the journey so maybe it is not the one.

Ian

 

[Ubergeekian]

Is Greece - Istanbul - Black Sea - Danube - (canal) - Rhine - UK an option?

 

[Tranona]

Have just done exactly that. Bavaria 37 sailboat from Corfu to Poole. Options are by sea from Athens. Around £13k plus cradle to Southampton. By sea to Slovenia about 5 days. Truck to Channel port about £4k plus cranage and preparation. By sea to Sof F or Spain. I went to Sant Carles. Professional crew £2k plus fuel, food, berthing. Cranage 150 euros Transport £4250 to Poole - other quotes in region £4.5-6.5k. So absolute minimum £7k plus fuel. BTW it is over 1000 miles Levkas to Sant Carles and a bit less to, say, Port Napoleon, but overall costs similar. Avoid anything via Italy as costs of permits are astronomical.

I used Simon Butler www.boat-shift.com for the road bit. Excellent.

 

[jfm]

you cannot enter Albanian water in a motor boat - you must cross from Greece to Italy and then cross back to Croatia..

Scuse slight fred drift but can you advise some more here Jez (as I want to do Montenegro/Croatia 2012 and might do Corfu first). Is it ok if you stay 12.1 miles off the Albania coast? Are they heavy handed gunboat types, so that you want to be 25 miles off the coast for good measure?

 

[Whitelighter]

I went into this is 2006, so regulations and laws may have changed but I went so far as having detailed conversations with the Albanian embassy in London so what I know was certainly true then.

As I understood it, you must stay outside of Albanian water - so technically 12 miles offshore. However, you cannot eneter for any reason, not even an emergency. So loose an engine (or both) or have anopther issue and you are screwed - and i mean in a big gun boat, loose you boat end up in jail sense of the word.

As i say, maybe worth revisiting but I planned to do corfu - italy - croatia just to be safe

 

[Hardmy]

Albania

Have a look at http://www.orikum.it/index.htm , the unique Marina in Albania. On some pics you see clearly some bigger Motoryachts, things probably changed...

And the only boats patrolling the area belong to the Italian Guardia di Finanza : http://www.rfi.fr/contenu/20100408-orikum-albanie-tourne-toujours-le-dos-mer-venise-delta-dabube

The only actual report (sept. 2009) I found was in french :
http://www.stw.fr/forumstw/quest_answers.cfm?quest_id=28770&topic_id=72&st_row=1

And here some useful infos (july 2010) in German :
http://www.nautik-verlag.de/gesetze/NBI-Albanien-7-2010-1.pdf

Albania is a nautical mystery. Maybe some forumite went already and may post some pics ?

 

[Tranona]

Scuse slight fred drift but can you advise some more here Jez (as I want to do Montenegro/Croatia 2012 and might do Corfu first). Is it ok if you stay 12.1 miles off the Albania coast? Are they heavy handed gunboat types, so that you want to be 25 miles off the coast for good measure?

There have been many accounts of boats stopping in Albania and being welcome. We have been there (Siranda) on a tripper boat from Corfu with no formalities other than a plentiful supply of Euros. Article in Sunday Times a couple of weeks ago from Jeremy Clarkson who did the trip on a private charter boat from Kassiopi.

There is regular traffic up and down the coast - most of the boats delivered to Corfu are launched in Slovenia and sailed down - as was mine in 2001.

BTW nothing much to see on the Albanian coast except deserted anchorages until you get to Siranda which is a major cruise ship port for visiting the archeological site at Butrint. A must if you are at all interested in history of the region going back to ancient Greek, via Roman, Byzantium and Venetian civilisations.

 

[Boat-Shift]

Ian 38_39, The easiest way is to move to Port St Louis, and come back up the high route through France from there. (Fuel costs should be less than going to Sant Carles). If you are thinking of Slovenia for a collection point, the costs will be higher. From there, the transporter requires permits and we have to have pilot vehicles (from the respective countries - i.e Slovenian, Austrian and German). In France we can pilot ourselves. In Germany, you can only drive at night, Austria, only during the day. This can add time to the trip, as we have to run under European tacho laws. The cost of permits alone for the Slovenia-N France trip would cover what I could do the entire trip from the South of France for! Mail me if you would like more info.

You will also need to take off as much as possible from the flybridge, and possibly the rudders or props, depending on how low they sit. (we can also do this for you).

Simon.

 

[towzer]

Hi

I used Hainsworth boat transport to bring a Broom 39 from Port Naploen back to Newark. They were the best price and did the job when I wanted. I did not have to go and supervise, they took of covers, windscreen etc. Would recommend them

 

[blueglass]

Ian 38_39, The easiest way is to move to Port St Louis, and come back up the high route through France from there. (Fuel costs should be less than going to Sant Carles). If you are thinking of Slovenia for a collection point, the costs will be higher. From there, the transporter requires permits and we have to have pilot vehicles (from the respective countries - i.e Slovenian, Austrian and German). In France we can pilot ourselves. In Germany, you can only drive at night, Austria, only during the day. This can add time to the trip, as we have to run under European tacho laws. The cost of permits alone for the Slovenia-N France trip would cover what I could do the entire trip from the South of France for! Mail me if you would like more info.

You will also need to take off as much as possible from the flybridge, and possibly the rudders or props, depending on how low they sit. (we can also do this for you).

Simon.

Simon,
thanks for your input... I don't suppose you could post a ball park figure for a 40 fter for each route to show comparison. I can see why Sof F is cheaper, but in a motor boat it costs mucho diesel to get there and many expensive marina stopovers on the way. it would be v useful to see if the journey costs would negate the advantage.

 

[Boat-Shift]

well we are pricing a couple of boats to Slovenia, and I can say that currently, permits and abnormal load pilots alone for Germany/Austria and Slovenia come to at least £4000 plus the vat. Add the ferries (plus obviously the transporters job costings) I cannot see a price below £8500-9000 plus vat.

We regularly do runs from Pt St Louis for a cat2 in france (beam between 3-4mtrs) back to the UK south coast for £3750 inc vat and have many happy customers, and we always give a very high level of service.

Quite a large amount of fuel difference!!