30 foot £100k

[Gman1001]

Hi All,

I’m in the market for a potentially a Fairline 29, 30 or 34 but concerned about the maintenance costs so was wondering on any options of an outboard vessel?
Looking to spend around £90k-£110k. Considered a cap camarat 8.5 but have a family of 5 plus occasional guests.

New to stern drives and believe they are a different animal to upkeep.
Many thanks

 

[julians]

axopar 28 cabin? - despite the name, it is 30 foot long, should be possible to get a nice recent ish one second hand for your budget.

 

[Gman1001]

axopar 28 cabin? - despite the name, it is 30 foot long, should be possible to get a nice recent ish one second hand for your budget.

Hi Julians,

Thanks for your reply, didn’t realize the Axopar could sleep 4. Great shout.

 

[jon and michie]

As an alternative

Sea Ray 315 Sundancer For Sale, 9.47m, 2005

 

[Gman1001]

As an alternative

Sea Ray 315 Sundancer For Sale, 9.47m, 2005

Thank, looks amazing

 

[DavidJ]

If you want family space then look at Sealine
I show this S34 as an example but it seems expensive, I’d let my S37 same year model go for that.
2002 Sealine S34, Conwy Conwy - boats.com

 

[Greg2]

If you want family space then look at Sealine
I show this S34 as an example but it seems expensive, I’d let my S37 same year model go for that.
2002 Sealine S34, Conwy Conwy - boats.com

The S34 saw notable pandemic related price increases - we sold ours as we came out of the first lock down and the people who bought it sold it last year for considerably more than they paid for it. They take some beating in that size range so I wonder if prices are sticking as a consequence?

 

[Gman1001]

If you want family space then look at Sealine
I show this S34 as an example but it seems expensive, I’d let my S37 same year model go for that.
2002 Sealine S34, Conwy Conwy - boats.co

The Sealine is certainly a boat I have been been looking closely at. I considered a Sealine 29sc also.
I’ve had a 26 foot outboard boat in the past and trying to be cautious of maintenance costs with having 2outdrives and a marine cost of £5k (30 foot) or £6k(34 foot). Thanks for your input, much appreciated.

 

[mcanderson]

Bavaria 28 Sport. £90k 2012. 2012 – Bavaria 28 Sport Diesel - Parker Adams Boat Sales

 

[z1ppy]

Hi Julians,

Thanks for your reply, didn’t realize the Axopar could sleep 4. Great shout.

Love our 28 cabin but sleeping 4 would be ”cozy” possible but you would need to be very comfortable with everyone

 

[julians]

Love our 28 cabin but sleeping 4 would be ”cozy” possible but you would need to be very comfortable with everyone

Yeah,would be cozy with 4,but technically doable. If you need to sleep that many regularly there are probably better boats.its pretty cozy with just 2 or 3.

OP - To bo honest I didn't realise you wanted something that could sleep 4,I thought you were just wanting day boating for a family of 5 plus a small number of guests.

 

[QBhoy]

Sealine SC29 all day for me. Held value for years and have even increased of late. Fast, efficient, and excellent lo rounder for the UK, I think. Such a clever hull on them, I think. Not sure I know of many other 30ft cruisers, with a stepped hull.

 

[z1ppy]

Sealine SC29 all day for me. Held value for years and have even increased of late. Fast, efficient, and excellent lo rounder for the UK, I think. Such a clever hull on them, I think. Not sure I know of many other 30ft cruisers, with a stepped hull.

Good shout that, so good, we have had 2! Great boats!!

 

[QBhoy]

Good shout that, so good, we have had 2! Great boats!!

Lucky fella. My good friend has one currently. Had her for around 7/8 years now. She impresses me every time I’m aboard or sailing alongside her. Some guys may have issue with the D3’s she has, but as long as they are kept on top of, they do incredibly well to see her go so well, for the seemingly modest overall power quoted. I’ve ran alongside her and paced her around or just over 40 mph at least. Very efficient too. Can’t be many modern boats at the 30ft mark, that could rival their all round ability and suitability for the UK weather.

 

[ChromeDome]

I'm always mentioning the two budgets (investment and operation) to people who play with boating plans.

Whereas investment is known for the boat price, needed/desired repairs and upgrades is an unknown.
Operation is variable, to some extent can be influenced by usage patterns, but planned service and maintenance can be predicted.

It is helpful to know what the operating costs of different technologies usually are. Diesel, petrol, powertrain (sterndrive, shaft, outboard) and whether everything has to be done against payment or is DIY. A bit of homework for you

When choosing fuel, availability can be a key issue as many more marinas offer diesel fuel.

In the US, outboards have been more common on large boats than in Europe, but in recent years more have appeared on our side of the pond, partly because they are cheaper. Also because they offer other possibilities for utilising space. And of course, access to the engine for servicing is much better.

For Your Inspiration (not exhaustive):

Aquador
Beneteau Antares series
Cutwater (Canada),- if you can find one
Finnmaster
Galeon
Jeanneau Leader and Cap series
Jeanneau Merry Fisher series (also the 1095)
Nimbus
Nordkapp
Parker boats (Poland,- not US)
Quicksilver Activ 905 Weekend
Ranieri CLF 30

If it fits your requirements specification, I think maybe a brand new Quicksilver Activ 905 Weekend with a Mercury 250hp V8 Verado could fit your budget.. Boasts an island bed (unknown size), which is very hard to find with inboard engine.

 

[Gman1001]

I'm always mentioning the two budgets (investment and operation) to people who play with boating plans.

Whereas investment is known for the boat price, needed/desired repairs and upgrades is an unknown.
Operation is variable, to some extent can be influenced by usage patterns, but planned service and maintenance can be predicted.

It is helpful to know what the operating costs of different technologies usually are. Diesel, petrol, powertrain (sterndrive, shaft, outboard) and whether everything has to be done against payment or is DIY. A bit of homework for you

When choosing fuel, availability can be a key issue as many more marinas offer diesel fuel.

In the US, outboards have been more common on large boats than in Europe, but in recent years more have appeared on our side of the pond, partly because they are cheaper. Also because they offer other possibilities for utilising space. And of course, access to the engine for servicing is much better.

For Your Inspiration (not exhaustive):

Aquador
Beneteau Antares series
Cutwater (Canada),- if you can find one
Finnmaster
Galeon
Jeanneau Leader and Cap series
Jeanneau Merry Fisher series (also the 1095)
Nimbus
Nordkapp
Parker boats (Poland,- not US)
Quicksilver Activ 905 Weekend
Ranieri CLF 30

If it fits your requirements specification, I think maybe a brand new Quicksilver Activ 905 Weekend with a Mercury 250hp V8 Verado could fit your budget.. Boasts an island bed (unknown size), which is very hard to find with inboard engine.

Very well put together summary thank you. I couldn’t agree more with all your points, over the past 5yrs I’ve noticed larger boats with 2/3 big outboards become more prominent.

I have come to the conclusion that.
Option A: higher purchase price on a newer boat and lower maintenance but comes with more depreciation.

Option B: Lower purchase price on an older boat and higher maintenance however depreciation curve has flattened a bit more due to age.

Unexpectedly Covid drove the cost of boats, camper vans, caravans up a lot and I sold my last boat for 15% more than I purchased it for after 2.5 yrs however it’s pro-rata as my next upgrade is 15% more on a bigger budget and some great boats have become out of budget.

 

[Gman1001]

Very well put together summary thank you. I couldn’t agree more with all your points, over the past 5yrs I’ve noticed larger boats with 2/3 big outboards become more prominent.

I have come to the conclusion that.
Option A: higher purchase price on a newer boat and lower maintenance but comes with more depreciation.

Option B: Lower purchase price on an older boat and higher maintenance however depreciation curve has flattened a bit more due to age.

Unexpectedly Covid drove the cost of boats, camper vans, caravans up a lot and I sold my last boat for 15% more than I purchased it for after 2.5 yrs however it’s pro-rata as my next upgrade is 15% more on a bigger budget and some great boats have become out of budget.

P.s I’m under no illusion that the economy has now turned and the next boat will sell for less than purchase price I need to put my big boy pants on and just enjoy boating

 

[Seastoke]

Yes we put 15k on our house mortgage 30 years ago to buy a boat . We have now paid our mortgage off , I often wonder what it cost us over the years but hay ho we are now on our 7 th boat swimbo it’s the last ! She said that 30 yrs ago.

 

[ChromeDome]

I think the decision between options A and B will be given if you know how long you'll own the boat.

A: With the larger loss, need you to remain a happy owner for several years (the longer the better). Will also give you the full joy of ordering whatever selectable features you fancy, control/know all history, maintenance, upgrades etc.

B: If you know yourself well enough and admit that the itch for another boat will reappear within a few years, it is easier on your risk if someone else took the first years (largest proportion) of loss. You'll then not decide everything about the boat and trust whatever you're told about it's history and service history.

The best of both would be to find an as-new boat that has been reduced for some innocent reason. Ex-demo or something

 

[Gman1001]

I think the decision between options A and B will be given if you know how long you'll own the boat.

A: With the larger loss, need you to remain a happy owner for several years (the longer the better). Will also give you the full joy of ordering whatever selectable features you fancy, control/know all history, maintenance, upgrades etc.

B: If you know yourself well enough and admit that the itch for another boat will reappear within a few years, it is easier on your risk if someone else took the first years (largest proportion) of loss. You'll then not decide everything about the boat and trust whatever you're told about it's history and service history.

The best of both would be to find an as-new boat that has been reduced for some innocent reason. Ex-demo or something

Thank you appreciate your outlook and agree that your option B is very likely to happen.