27' Yacht - which one?

eastcoastbernie said:
flipper said:
I’ve met quite a few of you and have done most of my east coast sailing for the past couple of years as crew for Eastcoastbernie and Pyrojames.


Huh, looks like I'll have to find another crew!
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That's what I was thinking! Although I'd already had a heads up when Patrick starting talking boats last time we went sailing.

Any help I can give with inspecting prospective boats, I will. :)
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I had a fin keel Jaguar 27 for several years and loved it. It sailed well, and we usually sailed with two or three adults. We never had a moments worry with the boat, sailed all over the Thames Estuary with trips to Holland, Belgium & France.
Faster than a Contessa 28! The only problem I had was that it sailed better on one tack than the other and it wasn't until it was sold that I noticed the keel wasn't vertical and I suspect it had been like that from new.
If you do get one, replace the shroud 'U' bolts if not already done. I checked mine and they were all suffering from crevise corrosion. Easy to replace with Wichard ones which fitted exactly - but don't let that put you off the J27.
From memory slightly more room than the Sabre 27.
There was a Jaguar 27 at SYH last weekend at the annual boat sale but I didn't look at it. PM me if you have any further questions.
 
I don't know what the budget is but if you fancy a Halcyon, there's what looks like an ex-JSSC on for sale in Wales advertised in ST. Been for sale afor a few months and I think she's down to about £8,500 now.

I suppose they are a bit cramped by todays standards but we used to have five soldiers on board for a week at a time and think nothong of it. Very, very good sea boat. I'd trust one anywhere in any sea.

I must admit, I'd go for a bilge or lift keeler first, long keel second and fin keel last on the list, round our way.
 
Slow_boat said:
Halcyon, ex-JSSC
I suppose they are a bit cramped by todays standards but we used to have five soldiers on board for a week at a time and think nothong of it.
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Used to sail those too, just in RN we went for a bit more comfort and only took 3 sailors! The Vic 34s there now are nice too.

Excellent boats. Was on my list when looking - just watch out for bunk length - a couple I looked at had bunks barely 6 foot long.
 
Slow_boat said:
I don't know what the budget is but if you fancy a Halcyon, there's what looks like an ex-JSSC on for sale in Wales advertised in ST. Been for sale afor a few months and I think she's down to about £8,500 now.
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And don't underestimate the huge disparity between 2nd hand boat prices and sale prices. I know some boats go for their asking prices but 20% less is common.
 
pasta_simon said:
And don't underestimate the huge disparity between 2nd hand boat prices and sale prices. I know some boats go for their asking prices but 20% less is common.
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When a manufacurer builds a new boat then he woks out how much he needs and says "this is price - who wants one". With a second hand boat (and cars) condition is everything. So we look at our boats and we say that this is reliable and above average (because we haven't looked at any others and we love it) and we put a price on it. Joe Public says this is just one of many which are all unknown to me and none are special and offers a lower price. Just like selling a car - when you decide it has to go then any purchaser is better than none so you take less, feel a bit aggrieved in the short term and then move on.


The ones that get their asking price are either very good examples, are or are bought by someone who doesn't look at the market or feel confident.
 
MoodySabre said:
When a manufacurer builds a new boat then he woks out how much he needs and says "this is price - who wants one". With a second hand boat (and cars) condition is everything. So we look at our boats and we say that this is reliable and above average (because we haven't looked at any others and we love it) and we put a price on it. Joe Public says this is just one of many which are all unknown to me and none are special and offers a lower price. Just like selling a car - when you decide it has to go then any purchaser is better than none so you take less, feel a bit aggrieved in the short term and then move on.


The ones that get their asking price are either very good examples, are or are bought by someone who doesn't look at the market or feel confident.
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Wise words Roger.

Thanks for the input everyone.

Patrick
 
slightly off topic

Slow_boat said:
I don't know what the budget is but if you fancy a Halcyon, there's what looks like an ex-JSSC on for sale in Wales advertised in ST. Been for sale afor a few months and I think she's down to about £8,500 now.

I suppose they are a bit cramped by todays standards but we used to have five soldiers on board for a week at a time and think nothong of it. Very, very good sea boat. I'd trust one anywhere in any sea.
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Karouise said:
Used to sail those too, just in RN we went for a bit more comfort and only took 3 sailors! The Vic 34s there now are nice too.

Excellent boats. Was on my list when looking - just watch out for bunk length - a couple I looked at had bunks barely 6 foot long.
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When on my Germany tour (RAF) I spent a lot of time at BKYC (British Kiel Yacht Club) which for the un-initiated, was established in Kiel as the Sailing Centre for British Forces in Germany.

They had a fleet of Contessa 28s for training courses. I remember one course that I volunteered for as a Training Skipper, they gave me 5 Guardsmen. I have to say it was a bit cramped with those burly 6 footers .... but the boat was superb for the purpose, kindly but quick enough if sailed efficaciously . A great week was had by all...

The Contessa would be on my list

Regards
Boz
 
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