22-footer, thirty years old. Reduced to £10,000. Bargain.

Thanks Ron, but I looked at a nice Corribee for £1,500 this year, and didn't buy.

I hope my point is clear...five figures for a 30 y/o boat only 22ft long, seems terribly steep to me...but for a boat which is as usable in January as in July, it's probably cheap.

Just a pity there aren't many more the same, and more in a similar style.
 
dancrane said:
IPerhaps it's the fact that for decades, nobody has built a sturdy little boat which dries out upright and can be sailed through a British winter without needing oilskins?
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I've seen one of these. It had been fitted with Mirror sails, so I suspect it was not a sparkling performer under sail.
 
It's massively overpriced. Nice little boat and quite popular but has an ancient engine. Owners always think their one is better than all the other identical ones but a good broker will persuade them to price it reasonably as they don't want it on their books for ever.
In some ways, the initial asking price is irrelevant as no one pays it.
 
ghostlymoron said:
It's massively overpriced...Owners always think their one is better than all the other identical ones...
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I was thinking the sheer rarity of a tough small motor-sailer in a climate where seven months per year aren't ideal for fun outdoors, boosts the value of any example for sale.
 
For a £10k it looks fairly shiny and well equipped.
I've not logged intp Boatshed to view all the pictures TBH.
Bilge keelers attract a premium due to low mooring costs etc.

It's very easy to buy a £5k boat, spend £5k on it and end up with a £6k boat.
You have to go and look at some real live boats to get an idea, some are better than they look, others are much much worse.
The boats 'we' approve of/like/own are not necessarily the most valuable or easiest to sell.
A little motorsailer could be a very pleasant boat for someone to enjoy if they wanted to use inland waterways as well as the sea for instance.
£10k does not get you that much when you look at river boats...
I don't think it does us much credit to knock other people's MABs like this... just because it's not my sort of MAB...
 
lw395 said:
I don't think it does us much credit to knock other people's MABs like this...
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For the record, I really like the boat in question...the fact that she's being offered at a considerable price is something I regret, because I'm not in a position to make a near offer.

What I meant is, what a damned shame there aren't more for sale like her...such that her price might sensibly be more in line with other twenty-two footers from the 1980s.
 
dancrane said:
For the record, I really like the boat in question...the fact that she's being offered at a considerable price is something I regret, because I'm not in a position to make a near offer.

What I meant is, what a damned shame there aren't more for sale like her...such that her price might sensibly be more in line with other twenty-two footers from the 1980s.
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I don't understand this reluctance to offer say 50% of the asking price. What's the worst that can happen?

Another whole thread debating offers and reductions.

Everything has a market price. If it sits there for 2 years and doesn't sell it is obviously not worth 10k.

I would be polite. Say unfortunately the max you can offer is £x. And then wait! If they don't get any other offers they may bite if the storage and insurance costs bite.
 
roblpm said:
Another whole thread debating offers and reductions.
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It certainly wasn't meant to be! ;)

I really was only commenting on what I assumed to be the enduring high value of a little boat whose design is unfortunately so rare, that anyone wanting protection from wet/cold weather, must expect to pay a lot more than the buyer of such a small and old yacht might expect.

Presumably if they were as commonplace as mid-eighties open-cockpit 22-foot AWBs, their sellers would be obliged to compete for buyers, and asking prices would be lower?
 
They are superb boats, they sail very well for a small motorsailer and just about the perfect estuary boat. Very loyal following and look what some naff plastic gaffers sell for at that age...
 
A boat, like a painting, is worth precisely what someone is prepared to pay for it. Whether it is 'worth' the actual price that it sells for is largely a subjective matter.
 
dancrane said:
It certainly wasn't meant to be! ;)

I really was only commenting on what I assumed to be the enduring high value of a little boat whose design is unfortunately so rare, that anyone wanting protection from wet/cold weather, must expect to pay a lot more than the buyer of such a small and old yacht might expect.

Presumably if they were as commonplace as mid-eighties open-cockpit 22-foot AWBs, their sellers would be obliged to compete for buyers, and asking prices would be lower?
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Sorry i wasn't criticising you. Merely trying to encourage you to offer what you can afford. Many on here seem to think there is a special etiquette for buying boats and are worried about "insulting" the vendor. Maybe they work in jobs where they don't have to negotiate.
 
There used to be one on a mooring near me; maybe some people have a different idea of ' sails really well '; the owner of the one I knew gave up trying to make it sail to windward, got rid of the rig and fitted a short mast - about 3' - with a radar reflector and a light on it !

I'm not too convinced it's as all-weather roomy as Dan hopes, either; however it would indeed be great on inland waterways etc - and I have noticed they do have a keen following.
 
It looks a little over equipped; - liferaft, new chartplotter, electric windlass (On a 22 footer!!) newish dinghy. It feels like someones pride and joy - a bit money no object on toys but not invested in sails / engine and trying to get back whats been poured into her recently. the fact that the specs say antifouled in sept 2015 suggests she's been on the market for nearly a year

I'd have thought asking around £7500 might have been reasonable and accept £5k.
 
We looked at one in Burnham, just before buying the 28' CW we now have. No comment on sailing ability but accommodation was snug but very cleverly laid out. Forward berths overlapped, one above the other, wheelhouse was roomy enough for two and cockpit felt safe. If any criticism then we both felt it was a bit 'soulless', functional certainly but not very 'boaty' if you follow me.

Ideal boat for coastal and estuary cruising I would have thought. At least you could find it in a marina as they are rather distinctive.
 
I'm tempted to think that's because they - motor sailers - appeal to people who don't know any better - maybe cash rich retired folk - as ' the best of both worlds ' while in reality they often combine the worst of both - sail like a mobo and motor like a sailboat.

I suppose on paper, as long as one hasn't actually seen the real thing, the Macgregor 26 might seem wonderful; in reality even novice friends take one look at the one near my mooring and say ' Christ that thing's ugly ! ' - and unlike all the proper boats around, it skates all over the place like a drunk driving a tea trolley on an ice rink - a good sailing boat especially should work in harmony with nature - some motor sailers try to take it on in a bar room brawl and wonder why they come a poor second...
 
Seajet said:
...motor sailers - appeal to people who don't know any better...
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Youch! Bit harsh, Andy. The thing is, I definitely do know better...but with six months of cold grey wet stuff certainly on the way, I don't want to swap my exciting summer sailing in the dinghy, for a winter of bone-chilling open-cockpit yachting. I'd much rather have a really sheltered helm, ideally inside next to the heater outlet, and rely on the engine three-quarters of the time...

...I daresay even indifferently designed motor-sailers can bustle along off the wind in a breeze, so not a wholesale switch to power...

...and a tough little cabin-boat which can easily take the ground will be a good companion for coastal pottering, whatever the season.

In truth I'm not set on the Cox Master Mariner - it was just one of several names that come to my mind with the onset of autumn...

...the unfortunate thing (as it seems to me) is that despite the agreeable weather-resistant style of such designs, there are never very many oldies for sale - so (I infer) the vendor is in a position to ask more than owners of other, similar-sized yachts. Hence this thread.
 
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