JumbleDuck
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Drascombes? Wharrams? Wayfarers? Squibs? Flying Fifteens? I can't think of any other long-lived sleep-aboard ones, except for Mr Wharram's trampolines of free love.
Ugly or what?
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Sticky Fingers
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You're only jealous...
RJJ
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You can ask the question the other way. A plumb bow gives some practical advantages: a bigger, deeper anchor locker without eating the forecabin,
longer waterline for given LOA, more stowage under the forepeak. Plenty of classic yachts' bow profiles were steep or nearly plumb until the fashion for steeply raked bows really caught on with the J's. Check the Jolie Brise and also many Laurent Giles designs.
What makes anyone think the pointy bow of a Contessa or 1970s S/S Swan is the classical look?
For me, the pain of the plumb bow on my boat is the anchor, which necessitates a rather long bow fitting, which I don't like much. Other than that, I like it.
Carib
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I think you can still buy a new Nordic Folkboat. Also the Cornish Pilot Cutter 30 is a pretty old design. And a company in Holland will build you a new Tradewind 35!
JumbleDuck
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Fair point.
JumbleDuck
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Good point - though I personally think the Contessa 32 is a very dated example of 70s design, and the pointy bow is as much part of that as the triangularish transom.
That aside, most of us here have seen a fair number of yachts in our time, and I suspect that we'd mostly agree that everything built before our own boat was leading up to it and everything built since shows a sad decline. What I was really wondering is how people who aren't sailing enthusiasts get an idea of what is "new". "Classic" is fairly easy, because classic yachts are all over the place on biscuit tins, calendars, book covers and so on ... I confess that I hadn't myself realised that Dreadnought bows were in this year. Golly, they'll look dated in a few years.
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Just shows that Jack Holt was right all those years ago with the Mirror.
Rappey
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I wonder if the boats that are still being built today are being built with the same quality components they originally had or have opted for the cheaper mdf and kitchen fittings?
pvb
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Which boats today feature MDF?
Rappey
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Sunseeker? Many interiors are mdf. I think they work on the assumption that most only go out on nice days and will not get water inside
Finding veneered marine ply nowadays is not an easy task
Finding veneered marine ply nowadays is not an easy task
pvb
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Keith 66
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As they used to say with updated measurement, "Built by the mile, Sawed off by the metre".
Rappey
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New boats seem to be back to square interiors rather than all rounded edges.(mdf panels ?)
I've no idea how many are now using mdf but I would guess it's a lot as they all seemed to have dropped stainless and brass butt hinges in favour of home kitchen hinges.
Shipwrights used to construct interiors, now you just need kitchen fitters to assemble all the pre made parts
I've no idea how many are now using mdf but I would guess it's a lot as they all seemed to have dropped stainless and brass butt hinges in favour of home kitchen hinges.
Shipwrights used to construct interiors, now you just need kitchen fitters to assemble all the pre made parts
pvb
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Well, you've alleged Sunseeker use MDF, who are the others?
Rappey
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Google it. You will also find lots of posts on here discussing mdf interiors.
I find google search more useful for finding threads on here than the forums own search
I saw mdf in a new sunseeker maybe 18 years ago?
It's usually well veneered so not that easy to detect
I find google search more useful for finding threads on here than the forums own search
I saw mdf in a new sunseeker maybe 18 years ago?
It's usually well veneered so not that easy to detect
pvb
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There are lots of allegations on here that modern boats have MDF interiors, but I believe it's largely old wives' tales.
My 2014 Bavaria has a lot of what seems to be very substantial marine ply, with solid wood trim.
LONG_KEELER
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For better or worse it's now modular construction .
Even whole engines, beds the lot are often dropped in and then glassed.
Probably the same with galley, toilet/showers. Teak decks the same, computer generated with large sections before laying down.
Great chunks of electrics already made up and dropped in.
It has many advantages, mainly time as people are not getting in each other's way. It would be nice though if real boaty materials were still used.
Even whole engines, beds the lot are often dropped in and then glassed.
Probably the same with galley, toilet/showers. Teak decks the same, computer generated with large sections before laying down.
Great chunks of electrics already made up and dropped in.
It has many advantages, mainly time as people are not getting in each other's way. It would be nice though if real boaty materials were still used.
pvb
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And what exactly are "real boaty materials"?
LONG_KEELER
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Sticky Fingers
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I've bought two new Bavarias in the last 4 years (don't ask). Both have modern interiors which are machined in a factory. I've been out to Giebelstadt and seen the production lines. Anyway - as pvb suggests, it's bare marine ply where it's out of sight, veneeered marine ply for cabinets, and solid wood edges and doorframes. Teak in boat 1, walnut in boat 2. Mass produced for sure, doesn't have the hand tooled feel of an Oyster or an HR but it's very serviceable, fits properly, and is no doubt much cheaper.
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