Tally ho

[john_morris_uk]

I dimly recall some custom of Scottish and Irish yachting that the heads and the galley should be on the port side.

Does anyone else remember this, or am I getting mixed up?

Makes for more comfortable use when hove to on starboard tack?

 

[Kukri]

Makes for more comfortable use when hove to on starboard tack?

Thanks John!

And of course the whole deck layout is set up to reef when hove to on the starboard tack in order to have right of way over everything else.

Do you remember the engraving in EF Knight’s “Sailing” titled “Hove to in the Channel for lunch”?

I do now remember that rule for the galley (it would be very naughty to tell Leo Goolden that he has forgotten it!?)

I think there was a Clyde posh yacht rule, enforced by the likes of Robertson’s, Fifes and McGruers, that the starboard side was where guests boarded and was not where the heads was.

 

[Tradewinds]

On my C&N 39 the galley is on the starboard side. So was it C&N or Ray Wall who decided that?

PS Main head fwd on port side. 2nd head aft on Stbd. I guess - whoever it was - felt that taking a dump was more important than cooking . . .

 

[john_morris_uk]

On my C&N 39 the galley is on the starboard side. So was it C&N or Ray Wall who decided that?

PS Main head fwd on port side. 2nd head aft on Stbd. I guess - whoever it was - felt that taking a dump was more important than cooking . . .

Same on our Sealord. Galley is on starboard side. Heads on both sides.

 

[john_morris_uk]

Back to Talky Ho. I can’t help feeling making a removable or slide up back to the bench is an over complication. A fixed one perhaps with a slot in rail for a higher height for security and to lean against would be KISS.

 

[Keen_Ed]

I think there was a Clyde posh yacht rule, enforced by the likes of Robertson’s, Fifes and McGruers, that the starboard side was where guests boarded and was not where the heads was.

Jack Aubrey always boards on the starboard side when being formal, and on the larboard when he wants no fuss. The sort of detail I can believe PO’B getting right.

 

[Kukri]

On my C&N 39 the galley is on the starboard side. So was it C&N or Ray Wall who decided that?

PS Main head fwd on port side. 2nd head aft on Stbd. I guess - whoever it was - felt that taking a dump was more important than cooking . . .

On ours the U shaped galley is to port.?

 

[Kukri]

Back to Talky Ho. I can’t help feeling making a removable or slide up back to the bench is an over complication. A fixed one perhaps with a slot in rail for a higher height for security and to lean against would be KISS.

Agree.

 

[Rosie1963]

Please reference these multiple claims on skin fitting failure.

So, it was in the mid 2000s sometime I went to our local chandlers, Foxes. There was a bit of a commotion, and I could see a yacht had sunk on a pontoon. I bought my stuff and asked the check-out what had happened they said seacock failure. Apparently a fairly new yacht.

Rowing back to Pin Mill from my then mooring 2008/9? (time really escapes me), I went past half a gaff rigged mast half out of the water. It was Transcur, Frank Mulville’s famous smack. Again, seacock failure. She was in concours condition.

I think if you have a wooden hull, you tend to be extra vigilant.

 

[Kukri]

So, it was in the mid 2000s sometime I went to our local chandlers, Foxes. There was a bit of a commotion, and I would see a yacht had sunk on a pontoon. I bought my stuff and asked the check-out what had happened they said seacock failure. Apparently a fairly new yacht.

Rowing back to Pin Mill from my then mooring 2008/9? (time really escapes me), I went past half a gaff rigged mast half out of the water. It was Transcur, Frank Mulville’s famous smack. Again, seacock failure. She was in concours condition.

I think if you have a wooden hull, you tend to be extra vigilant.

I recall that Pete said that he had left a heavy tool box on a shelf; Transcur was rolled by the wash of a passing vessel, the toolbox fell on the almost new skin fitting and fractured it.

 

[Rosie1963]

If Leo is planning to take passengers in the future as he indicated, perhaps another head should be planned in?
He has spent an absolute fortune on this rebuild, it's just a little thing but could make all the difference.

I have a personal observation about yachts with two heads.

I only go on such boats when invited to crew, and that is usually on longer passages. On nearly every occasion one of the two toilets has blocked – in a variety and styles of yachts. It is such a horrible job unblocking a toilet at sea that the usual consensus is to leave it till we get into port and just use the other one till then. So I can’t recall ever experiencing the full “two heads” luxury for an entire passage. I am not sure why, but when having two heads, there is higher chance of blockage. Maybe there’s unconscious group think and the crew start getting a bit cavalier with the paper? Or that the food is more plentiful, as there is an off-watch cook usually over-cooking (stodge) for meals, or that within a larger crew there is more chance of somebody less experienced in the idiosyncrasies of a pump-out toilet, and fail to keep flushing well after the initial clearing of the bowl?

 

[westernman]

I have a personal observation about yachts with two heads.

I only go on such boats when invited to crew, and that is usually on longer passages. On nearly every occasion one of the two toilets has blocked – in a variety and styles of yachts. It is such a horrible job unblocking a toilet at sea that the usual consensus is to leave it till we get into port and just use the other one till then. So I can’t recall ever experiencing the full “two heads” luxury for an entire passage. I am not sure why, but when having two heads, there is higher chance of blockage. Maybe there’s unconscious group think and the crew start getting a bit cavalier with the paper? Or that the food is more plentiful, as there is an off-watch cook usually over-cooking (stodge) for meals, or that within a larger crew there is more chance of somebody less experienced in the idiosyncrasies of a pump-out toilet, and fail to keep flushing well after the initial clearing of the bowl?

This is what happens with my guests. It is very difficult to convince them that they need to do another 10 full strokes on the pump once the stuff is out of sight.
Although (fingers crossed) we have only once had a blockage and that was in the pump itself with a very substantial "wet wipe" and easy to clear with no nasty stuff in sight (or smell).

 

[Wansworth]

This is what happens with my guests. It is very difficult to convince them that they need to do another 10 full strokes on the pump once the stuff is out of sight.
Although (fingers crossed) we have only once had a blockage and that was in the pump itself with a very substantial "wet wipe" and easy to clear with no nasty stuff in sight (or smell).

Keel hauling only reminder that works?

 

[penfold]

Keel hauling only reminder that works?

Being threatened with a screwdriver and instructions on how to unblock the turds is usually enough.

 

[Kukri]

A Baby Blake will pass an entire used disposable diaper, but the seacock won’t.

DAMHIKT. And I was even nice about it to the absent minded mother of my children.

 

[penfold]

Lavacs are where it's at; if it fits around the bend it's probably squishy enough to be propelled through the seacock. Probably.

 

[Kukri]

Lavacs are where it's at; if it fits around the bend it's probably squishy enough to be propelled through the seacock. Probably.

The weak point of the Lavac is the speed with which it fills a holding tank! That is where the Baby and the Victory do better.

 

[Rosie1963]

The weakness of a Victory is that the service kit is more expensive than a Lavac!

 

[Gary Fox]

The weakness of a Victory is that the service kit is more expensive than a Lavac!

Luckily the service kit is only needed every 50 years or so

 

[john_morris_uk]

The weakness of a Victory is that the service kit is more expensive than a Lavac!

And there is was , me thinking that it was the £7,500 price tag for the new loo. (Plus pipes and fitting and seacocks.)