GravyStain
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Yep. My thoughts too...
Squaddie 52?
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PowerYachtBlog
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The Squadron 52 did age well, and the main saloon is still very spacious. Third cabin is a left over in reality and more good for crew.
The owners and guest cabin are spacious. It was an experiment which Squadron tried also in the 62. I think both models sold less to expected about 20 52s where made and and low 10s15s 62s.
The owners and guest cabin are spacious. It was an experiment which Squadron tried also in the 62. I think both models sold less to expected about 20 52s where made and and low 10s15s 62s.
dj43
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One important priority for us was
having previously owned an aft cabin boat, we did not want to go back to a forward main cabin layout, with all the noise from slopping and banging that you experience with a forward cabin boat, we sometime spend up to 9 weeks on board, the 52 has a mid cabin , at the time we brought ours quite unique , not as quiet as a aft cabin , it's all a compromise . One of the reasons we ruled out changing up to a 58 recently, we prefere the Princes 54 layout
A third cabin is not high on our list of priorities , our third cabin is a single fitted with a w/c and sink, plus washing machine, Makes a good utility room, we also have a separate crew cabin layout again with its own w/ c and w/h/b , in total 7 permanent beds, and 4 w/c,s If you feel you need to fill your boat, but each to there own
having previously owned an aft cabin boat, we did not want to go back to a forward main cabin layout, with all the noise from slopping and banging that you experience with a forward cabin boat, we sometime spend up to 9 weeks on board, the 52 has a mid cabin , at the time we brought ours quite unique , not as quiet as a aft cabin , it's all a compromise . One of the reasons we ruled out changing up to a 58 recently, we prefere the Princes 54 layout
A third cabin is not high on our list of priorities , our third cabin is a single fitted with a w/c and sink, plus washing machine, Makes a good utility room, we also have a separate crew cabin layout again with its own w/ c and w/h/b , in total 7 permanent beds, and 4 w/c,s If you feel you need to fill your boat, but each to there own
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Portofino
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This is when hotels come in handy .
Went through the 2 vs 3 or more cabin question .
Ended up with two at each end with the ER separating so private .
Many a excess guest has used hotels , works for all parties , just day boat it .
Having said that any combo works each to there own .
jakew009
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One important priority for us was
having previously owned an aft cabin boat, we did not want to go back to a forward main cabin layout, with all the noise from slopping and banging that you experience with a forward cabin boat, we sometime spend up to 9 weeks on board, the 52 has a mid cabin , at the time we brought ours quite unique , not as quiet as a aft cabin , it's all a compromise . One of the reasons we ruled out changing up to a 58 recently, we prefere the Princes 54 layout
A third cabin is not high on our list of priorities , our third cabin is a single fitted with a w/c and sink, plus washing machine, Makes a good utility room, we also have a separate crew cabin layout again with its own w/ c and w/h/b , in total 7 permanent beds, If you feel you need to fill your boat, but each to there own
Is the third cabin the white shapes on the other side of the galley?
Soco2
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Yes, Fairline offered different options ie. a double, two singles and one single and more storage or no beds and even more storageIs the third cabin the white shapes on the other side of the galley?
Soco2
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This is the single lay out
Washing machine and full hanging locker at far end
Washing machine and full hanging locker at far end
GravyStain
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It certainly fits a lot into a 53ft boat...
Apart from a posh 3rd cabin. I can live without that. I'll be in the master
Apart from a posh 3rd cabin. I can live without that. I'll be in the master
PowerYachtBlog
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While some owners and buyers might just need one cabin, the third cabin is a problem for resale, not what one really wants.
A flybridge motor yacht of 16 meters with only two cabins however large they are will always be a problem to sell.
The same happens for the Predator 56, which has similar sales value to that of a similar aged Camargue 50.
And even the Azimut 46 two cabins version, is always a slower seller to that of the three cabin version.
A flybridge motor yacht of 16 meters with only two cabins however large they are will always be a problem to sell.
The same happens for the Predator 56, which has similar sales value to that of a similar aged Camargue 50.
And even the Azimut 46 two cabins version, is always a slower seller to that of the three cabin version.
Soco2
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Im not sure the purpose of a post which just bashes on about resale?
If you can afford it and you want it get it, you don’t buy for resale.
This boat can sleep 5 in main cabins and 2 extra in the crew cabins. (7 total)
another typical 50ft of this generation will sleep 6 with possibly 2 in crew cabins (8 total) so your just ONE person down? Hardly exceptional!
Either way, as an analogy if you look at the car market, the Majority go for a five seater as that’s what they need or maybe want, other people don’t need/want that and can actually buy a two door sports car. Not as common and maybe not as practical but definitely more desirable And they Always sell on to someone.
Boating is for enjoyment and relaxation as far as I’m concerned, , not to see how many people you can stuff in cabins at night.
As others have said, you can take ten people out in the day on it and then they can hotel it in the evening.
why should I pay for other guests accommodation at the detriment to my own stay On my own boat? I would rather have a bigger room and bathroom + more luxury for myself!?
Everybody to their own , but remember there are always people wanting luxury over and above where their in-laws are going to sleep?
the fact that there are non for sale in the uk says they can’t be that unpopular. I for one found the light after looking at 18 boats ??
For the OP your looking at 2 litres per mile at 8 knots ??
No big issues on build that I’m aware of.
I think the socialising area is lovely and makes for a great boat to stay on for extended stays, I got bored of looking at boats with the same old boring square sofa on the right side and standard layout etc.
I much prefer this.
If you can afford it and you want it get it, you don’t buy for resale.
This boat can sleep 5 in main cabins and 2 extra in the crew cabins. (7 total)
another typical 50ft of this generation will sleep 6 with possibly 2 in crew cabins (8 total) so your just ONE person down? Hardly exceptional!
Either way, as an analogy if you look at the car market, the Majority go for a five seater as that’s what they need or maybe want, other people don’t need/want that and can actually buy a two door sports car. Not as common and maybe not as practical but definitely more desirable And they Always sell on to someone.
Boating is for enjoyment and relaxation as far as I’m concerned, , not to see how many people you can stuff in cabins at night.
As others have said, you can take ten people out in the day on it and then they can hotel it in the evening.
why should I pay for other guests accommodation at the detriment to my own stay On my own boat? I would rather have a bigger room and bathroom + more luxury for myself!?
Everybody to their own , but remember there are always people wanting luxury over and above where their in-laws are going to sleep?
the fact that there are non for sale in the uk says they can’t be that unpopular. I for one found the light after looking at 18 boats ??
For the OP your looking at 2 litres per mile at 8 knots ??
No big issues on build that I’m aware of.
I think the socialising area is lovely and makes for a great boat to stay on for extended stays, I got bored of looking at boats with the same old boring square sofa on the right side and standard layout etc.
I much prefer this.
GravyStain
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The resale issue is already dealt with in that you're already buying the boat at a discount IMHO...
I largely agree with the rest of your points. I have never intended on going away with large groups / sets of couples... Not my bag. Close friends / family, of course, as well as a set of chums for long weekends.
I doubt I would ever have more than 5 on the boat, and that would be an absolute maximum.
I've driven 2 and 2+2 seater sports cars since I was young, and like you, I never bought a 4/5 seater for the two times a year that I might need it. Now SWMBO's car - that's a different matter
And yes, the mother in law can stay at home
Portofino
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There is a roaming hotel / boat combo in the Med .
Soco2
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The resale issue is already dealt with in that you're already buying the boat at a discount IMHO...
I largely agree with the rest of your points. I have never intended on going away with large groups / sets of couples... Not my bag. Close friends / family, of course, as well as a set of chums for long weekends.
I doubt I would ever have more than 5 on the boat, and that would be an absolute maximum.
I've driven 2 and 2+2 seater sports cars since I was young, and like you, I never bought a 4/5 seater for the two times a year that I might need it. Now SWMBO's car - that's a different matter
And yes, the mother in law can stay at home
Yes your right I forgot to say that regarding prices.... the boat will set its own price and maybe less than some other 50’s but like you say it’s all accounted for ??
I did look at the PH43/46 but they are just boring in comparison And small in areas.
Everything is a compromise really, if you want lots of guests all the time you have to have a smaller bed yourself.
if you want comfort and luxury (home from home) then you won’t have quite as many guests stay on your boat At one time.
I have found when it comes to boats, you always long for more physical Space. I can’t believe we even considered a PH38 at one point!
what was I thinking? ?
markc
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I agree that the price is accounted for in the price, although the original owner could have suffered from higher depreciation.
I'm a fan of guests staying in hotels rather than on the boat, so I certainly see the appeal of the 52. The only thing that would put me off is that having 2 kids, they don't want to share a bed and this boat only has 2 doubles. They love sharing a cabin though, and our 3rd cabin remains empty at all times. I've also turned our crew cabin into a pantry as it's off the galley... I don't want people to start getting ideas that there is another en-suite cabin available for them to sleep in
I'm a fan of guests staying in hotels rather than on the boat, so I certainly see the appeal of the 52. The only thing that would put me off is that having 2 kids, they don't want to share a bed and this boat only has 2 doubles. They love sharing a cabin though, and our 3rd cabin remains empty at all times. I've also turned our crew cabin into a pantry as it's off the galley... I don't want people to start getting ideas that there is another en-suite cabin available for them to sleep in
Sticky Fingers
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What boat do you have?...and our 3rd cabin remains empty at all times. I've also turned our crew cabin into a pantry as it's off the galley... I don't want people to start getting ideas that there is another en-suite cabin available for them to sleep in
GravyStain
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I really like the idea of the pantry / utility room being off from the galley. It makes so much sense to me. It's one of the reasons that I love the slightly older boats (Apart from the priceI agree that the price is accounted for in the price, although the original owner could have suffered from higher depreciation.
I'm a fan of guests staying in hotels rather than on the boat, so I certainly see the appeal of the 52. The only thing that would put me off is that having 2 kids, they don't want to share a bed and this boat only has 2 doubles. They love sharing a cabin though, and our 3rd cabin remains empty at all times. I've also turned our crew cabin into a pantry as it's off the galley... I don't want people to start getting ideas that there is another en-suite cabin available for them to sleep in
)...GravyStain
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Pretty sure Mark has a Ferretti 165 from memory.
markc
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Well remembered!
For us it works well, the galley is a decent size, but because we're on the boat for extended times we really needed more space for food storage etc so using the crew cabin made sense as there is a door directly from the galley.
Hurricane
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I agree with you 100%
However, I believe that GravyStain is looking for a boat for the Med.
He may choose to keep it in a marina whilst friends are visiting but I suspect that there will be an "itch" to "go cruising".
Back when we were cruising in the UK, I loved the idea of a Squaddie 52.
The extra comfort that you get by making the cabins bigger cannot be underestimated.
In fact, it is that concept that applies very much to our Princess 67.
The P67 is a big boat for only 3 cabins but each cabin has its own en-suite and masses of space - difficult to believe the size of our mid cabin - bigger than most sub 28m boats.
For that, we sacrifice the fourth cabin.
Of course we have the crews cabin if we need extra space but that has only been used about 3 times in 13 years.
So, yes, I do agree with the comments in your post.
But, I do think that 2 cabins might not be enough for summer cruising away from the marina.
I know of people in our marina in Sant Carles who are happy to use local hotels for guests and then just to do day trips out into our lagoon.
Indeed, we have a two cabin Squaddie 52 already located in Sant Carles.
However, in the Med, you might want to cruise further afield.
In Sant Carles' case, it is "popping over" to the Balearics.
In which case, two cabins might not be enough.
You would, essentially be restricting a cruise to just two couples.
In our case, we often use all three of our cabins but, as I say above, very rarely the crews cabin.
So, in my experience, I think that the Squaddie 52's twin cabin layout might be a bit restrictive for Med use.
I can see the attraction of the lower cost but I do think the extra cost of the Squaddie 58 would be well spent.
Nothing worse that having a boat and wishing that you had bought the bigger one.
Hooligan
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I agree 100% with this. The S52 btw looks stunning to me and especially the mid cabin which looks lovely. I that once one introduces kids into the equation things change very rapidly. For each kid add a potential friend or two is my rule of thumb especially as they grow up - sadly the kids don’t want to holiday only with you even though I am sure they love you to bits and we are all of course the coolest Dad’s on earth
. They want their mates. I do agree that a boat is for one’s own pleasure not others but I do think that in the Med to go with two cabins with kids around, even only one, you will find you may wish you had gone with the 58. One other thing, as great as the inside of the 52 looks, in the Med we never ever eat indoors, never watch TV and rarely sit or socialize inside. That means the flybridge is far more important a consideration. As in everything though it is all about what you want to do and how you want to utilize the boat.