LadyInBed
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Warship positions faked including UK aircraft carrier.
Warship positions faked including UK carrier - BBC News
Warship positions faked including UK carrier - BBC News
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Daverw
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Surely this is only observed when looking via marine traffic etc, on board you would see other boats as normal?
prv
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Exactly.
Don‘t expect journalists to understand that distinction - which ironically is exactly why there is a story of sorts here. If you can spoof a Russian warship being somewhere interesting on Marine Traffic, then you can stimulate a lot of news stories for political effect even though nobody on scene with an actual AIS receiver is fooled at all.
Pete
Tomahawk
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And equally that nice uncle Vlad can claim a ship is in Russian waters and start shooting.
Frogmogman
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Hey, it worked for Uncle Sam in the "second" Gulf of Tonkin incident.
Ain't nothing new in this world.
chrishscorp
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Has Russia written all over it
RichardS
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Although, in this case, they'd be shooting at a ship which is not actually there.
Richard
Frogmogman
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That doesn't need to matter, if what you are after is a pretext to go on and commit some other act of aggression.
The second gulf of Tonkin incident, which was entirely imaginary (and admitted to be such by none other than Robert McNamara in 2003) , was used by LBJ as the legal pretext for deploying American forces in open warfare against North Vietnam. I highly recommend Gen H.R. McMaster's excellent book Dereliction of Duty, subtitled "The lies that led to Vietnam."
Stemar
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Also looking forward to volume 2, "The lies that led to Iraq"
lustyd
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If you read the article it's very clearly a sales pitch to get quite a bit of money from the UK government. Those that understand are clearly already explaining the reality, as quoted in the article:
The problem is that that will be ignored when debated because of various fearmongering to justify a few billion investment. What they want investment in is hard to say as there was a lot of jabber about eLoran and GPS. My guess is a new and shiny UK GPS system that will fail once those involved become wealthy enough.
Cynical? Me?
The problem is that that will be ignored when debated because of various fearmongering to justify a few billion investment. What they want investment in is hard to say as there was a lot of jabber about eLoran and GPS. My guess is a new and shiny UK GPS system that will fail once those involved become wealthy enough.
Cynical? Me?
dunedin
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Not necessarily. If the warships chose to switch on AIS but broadcast false information, that false information would also appear on the local AIS picked up by VHF.
Who would have thought it, warships hiding or giving false impressions. Next they will be painting the ships in camouflage colours to aid the deception - or do they already do that?
capnsensible
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Way out of date. The U.K. National Cyber Security Centre isn't new. Neither are many kinds of electronic warfare.
lustyd
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No, the new part is someone trawling for funds based on an imaginary threat.
SaltIre
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LadyInBed
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Or make everything watertight and sneek around underwater ?
Daverw
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I thought we were talking about outside influences giving false positions, surely the warship themselves would just turn it off as I would expect them to use their radar anyway
INT QRK
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Has single male, somewhere on the spectrum, on a computer in his bedroom written all over it.
mainsail1
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Radar is also a problem as it gives your position away.
Daverw
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Expect them to have slightly more refined tech than we have, especially overhead radar scans from various sources
