Wansworth
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Nice little vid. Little Ships of England. about wooden boat building during the war……google
Thanks
Sounds like you have the same book I'm looking at as a reference; Design & Construction of British Warships?The HDML was designed by W J Holt at the Admiralty in early 1939. During the war HDMLs were constructed, mainly by yacht builders.
HDMLs had a round bilge heavy displacement hull .
Most HDML hulls were planked in mahogany, but as the war progressed this became scarce and larch was used, although this tended to lead to leaky hulls. The decks were also of double-diagonal construction and generally made of softwood. Boats operating in tropical waters (including the Mediterranean Sea) were sheathed in copper below the waterline to prevent the attack of marine borers.
Just reading through some of the comments on this thread. Some of it really does read like school girls bitching. I dont think I have come across such negativity about someone elses ventures. Ship happens must have been mortified when she found this thread. Clyst in particular, his words seem to carry negative electrons! - you wouldnt want him/her around on a bad day for sure.
Personally, if you read this Ship Happens, I wish you all the best with what you are doing, forget what the negative ones say.
On a positive note, your adversaries have given you some exposure and have gained you subscribers!
Come on buddy, theres finding faults and then theres pulling apart everything someone does, looking in every orifice for a fault then amplifying it with pure badness. That is how some of this thread reads. Its quite disturbing really.You mention in another post that you are new to yachting apart from having owned a speed boat which likely "but may not" have needed maintenance like a lot of us have done with our yachts after purchasing so most have gained knowledge of what is required to get a boat "ship Shape" so they see the faults that some youtube bloggers are showing hence the negetivity, and being new to this thing you see the eyes through somone with possibly little experience of doing up a boat. I personally like the two Ship Shape couple as they come across friendly but I do think they are using the channel now just to get free stuff.
Just reading through some of the comments on this thread. Some of it really does read like school girls bitching. I dont think I have come across such negativity about someone elses ventures. Ship happens must have been mortified when she found this thread. Clyst in particular, his words seem to carry negative electrons! - you wouldnt want him/her around on a bad day for sure.
Personally, if you read this Ship Happens, I wish you all the best with what you are doing, forget what the negative ones say.
On a positive note, your adversaries have given you some exposure and have gained you subscribers!
Having rebuilt various wooden boats I have an inkling ofthe enormity of the project.A wooden boat is a consortium of many pieces all built up upon the keel as it’s known as the backbone.I don’t think people are negative ti just goes against the grain and known first principals to make sure your building on a sound foundation as for example (tally Ho).Wouldit not be prudent to engage the services of a good suveyor to assertain the soundness of the hull etc before ongoing expenses and time
Good for you, i love watching what you do!Look at the photos above, would we have got a surveyor to come and tell is what needs to be done to the boat in the first photo? Would you take a broken car for an MOT when you know what is wrong with it?
Every inch of the boat is getting restored, and at present she is not strong enough to moved or be lifted, so what can a surveyor see that we can't?
Leo is doing a fantastic job with Tally Ho, but he is building a new boat, and we are working with a budget which is probably 1000 times lower than his, so the 2 projects can't really be compared.
We are in constant communication with actual experts who know these boats inside and out, so we will always follow their advice, and not that of many armchair experts who just like to slag others off without knowing all the details! The real experts that we seek advice from are professional people who don't like to be plastered all over the Internet, life has always taught us, just because someone likes to speak the loudest doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, and real experts don't sit on forums all day spouting shite!
YES! A full send on the positivity ?. Dont ever let them get to you, keep at it ?Look at the photos above, would we have got a surveyor to come and tell is what needs to be done to the boat in the first photo? Would you take a broken car for an MOT when you know what is wrong with it?
Every inch of the boat is getting restored, and at present she is not strong enough to moved or be lifted, so what can a surveyor see that we can't?
Leo is doing a fantastic job with Tally Ho, but he is building a new boat, and we are working with a budget which is probably 1000 times lower than his, so the 2 projects can't really be compared.
We are in constant communication with actual experts who know these boats inside and out, so we will always follow their advice, and not that of many armchair experts who just like to slag others off without knowing all the details! The real experts that we seek advice from are professional people who don't like to be plastered all over the Internet, life has always taught us, just because someone likes to speak the loudest doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, and real experts don't sit on forums all day spouting shite!
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Every inch of the boat is getting restored, and at present she is not strong enough to moved or be lifted, so what can a surveyor see that we can't?
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We are in constant communication with actual experts who know these boats inside and out, so we will always follow their advice, and not that of many armchair experts who just like to slag others off without knowing all the details! The real experts that we seek advice from are professional people who don't like to be plastered all over the Internet, life has always taught us, just because someone likes to speak the loudest doesn't mean they know what they are talking about, and real experts don't sit on forums all day spouting shite!
It would be a shame for this to happen. I offer them my full support (being positive) and hope one day they complete there goal, instead of writing them off as failed, before they have.Creeks and yards round the UK are full of abandoned dreams. I regret that they will be joined eventually by yours.
I think I can hope all I want, its not my projectProject like this are not completed on hope alone; they need careful and detailed preliminary surveys, wide knowledge and experience in wooden boat restoration, skills in timeline and critical path analysis, and from these an accurate budget of costs in money and time. And resources to service the project.
There is a problem with your view that your "actual experts" (no names given) know more than the 'forum experts'. You will be very hard put to find a more cohesive collection of boat experts, whether mechanical, electrical, structural, wood, metal, GRP than on these forums. And we do have real experts who have full time jobs in the marine industry, and who do join in on the forum and share their knowledge for free during the day.
My perception of your situation is that you have bitten off more than you can chew, and that the project is beyond the skill (knowledge and experience) levels needed to complete the project in an ordered, logical, and financially sensible way. This is despite the calm advice of many posters on these forums from the beginning. It doesn't help that you seem to ignore advice, and your passing round the begging bowl for commercial support and sponsorship appears to verify that you have miscalculated the costs of the renovation project. This in turn raises the thesis that if you get the costs wrong, you cannot have known what you are doing in planning, costing, and executing the multiple disciplines needed to fix a large wooden boat.
There's no doubt about your enthusiasm; it's your unwillingness (especially at the start, but also presently) to look at the project, to ask for objective advice and to accept that advice freely given from people here who have spent a lifetime surveying, and running boat-mending projects of more complexity than yours.
Creeks and yards round the UK are full of abandoned dreams. I regret that they will be joined eventually by yours.