Caribbean lockdown

[t21]

True. Life is never saved in that sense. Let’s not bother eh? Close hospitals, close surgeries. Don’t waste all those years training docs. Think of all the resources that could go back into the economy. The nurse shortages? No. It’s a pointless exercise in playing a game we all lose. We need fewer nurses, not more.

Um, sarcasm in a text is often ambiguous.

Doctors can’t be trained when the schools (and universities?) all shut down.

You seem to be using an argument of the other extreme. I didn’t seriously suggest no health service, no doctors.

I argue for best quality of life for biggest proportion of the population for as long as possible. I don’t think travel bans and school closures help much in that direction, as it raises undue alarm against a virus which IF you catch it has 1% death rate overall, zero so far in children.

 

[webcraft]

There is a disconnect here. There is no vaccine yet. The fight against the virus is within each victims immune system. There is a very small number of patients who can be "saved" by using a ventilator. Until a vaccine is developed the hospitals seem to me to be basically making the dying more comfortable. Plus of course helping the infected few who make it to hospital to stay clean and hopefully not getting worse. They are of course doing great unselfish work but ultimately the final decision is made by the immune system. It goes without saying that everyone hopes a shortcut can be found for the use of one of the vaccines under test ASAP.

Discussion around this subject should be polite. Nothing said will alter the outcome one tiny miniscule nano bit. I am truly fed up with the aggresion on these forums. Especially from the snowflakes.

Your ignorance seems profound. Try reading some of the accounts by Italian doctors.

Ventilation has saved dozens or more probably hundreds of lives in Italy so far.

The outcome for tens of thousands of people will vary greatly according to decisions made and on preparedness.

Go and do a little research, then come back to the discussion when you actually have some information.

- W

 

[t21]

So. not an epidemiologist and bottling out of the challenge to go unprotected into an ICU. Easy to talk big, isn't it? Prepared to bet that Bentley that there won't be any cases in a month's time? Thought not.

Not sure how specialism in epidemiology would help address the issues I raise, which are general, not microscopic.

I’ll happily walk anywhere but doctors’ surgeries are all shut at the moment. So if someone is actually ill it may be best claim it’s Coronavirus to get attention. Then the medics will check and find the patient has a broken leg or whatever.

It’s a flu virus, so it would be okay in an ICU, wash hands all that stuff.

The Bentley was from years back, long gone. I bought a Lamborghini earlier in the year but I suppose they’re a bit cheaper now. Or of course, the dealership has closed or soon will, so that’s more people out of work. Anyway don’t fret, it’s not on finance, but thanks for the concern.

Unlikely as it may seem, I have no axe to grind on this subject. If everyone is happy to flush the economy away, I suppose I’ll just have to enjoy watching from a distance.

 

[Zing]

I don’t think travel bans and school closures help much in that direction, as it raises undue alarm against a virus which IF you catch it has 1% death rate overall, zero so far in children.

Let’s put it another way. If there was a disease that killed 10% of all the over 70s who got it,including 10% of all your relatives of that age and you could cure it by having everyone staying at home for a month or two with no salary, but watching Netflix, drinking beer and having sex, wouldn’t you think that was a great deal and worth taking?

 

[Plomong]

Oh dear, the usual people get personal. Very poor show. I understand that so far nobody under the age of 36 has died. It’s a flu virus. Even in the confines of a cruise ship only 20% actually caught it.

Wrong on both data points. Go look it up again and then come back here and correct the errors in your posts, all of them.

 

[Plomong]

..... be getting calls, and not many if any about deaths among the under 30’s.

One death today here in the Basque Country in the age bracket 20 - 29, and another aged 52. Not the first, and unfortunately not the last either.

A few days ago there were 2 in the under 10 group.

It would help us all here if you would study up some more and then adjust your thoughts before continuing to post drivel on here.

That, of course, supposes you wish to help us here and not just let off steam.

 

[Plomong]

It’s a flu virus, so it would be okay in an ICU, wash hands all that stuff.

False, it is NOT a flu virus.

 

[t21]

Your ignorance seems profound. Try reading some of the accounts by Italian doctors.

Ventilation has saved dozens or more probably hundreds of lives in Italy so far.

The outcome for tens of thousands of people will vary greatly according to decisions made and on preparedness.

Go and do a little research, then come back to the discussion when you actually have some information.

- W

Only a little research reveals that ventilators cost fifty grand. Italy ordered 4,000 but only got 400. I think making and paying for extra ventilators a fab idea BUT a bit difficult with everyone home, not working, not doing anything at all. Lots of people could help, but too many are at home v apprehensive. Hopefully not too many victims will die. But the longer the shutdown the greater the uncertainty and hence the fewer babies born. Hence tax gap with ageing population, and great chunks of world population needing help due to zero jobs. Maybe not this week. Next week? All the cruise ship jobs rather gone already with one ship reporting

 

[t21]

One death today here in the Basque Country in the age bracket 20 - 29, and another aged 52. Not the first, and unfortunately not the last either.

A few days ago there were 2 in the under 10 group.

It would help us all here if you would study up some more and then adjust your thoughts before continuing to post drivel on here.

That, of course, supposes you wish to help us here and not just let off steam.

Perfect example of my point - two people died. On an unprotected cruise ship with 3700 people, 634 got the symptoms and 1.9% died so seems under 20 died, most over 70. But at least one or two die on cruise ships all the time though they don’t tell us that. The cruise ship industry seems to have evaporated.

The economic damage being done is spectacular. Pandemic looks a lot like panic. The number of deaths in China has dropped. This should be over as soon as possible imho.

 

[t21]

Wrong on both data points. Go look it up again and then come back here and correct the errors in your posts, all of them.

Yeah sorry it was 17% not 20%, my bad

 

[t21]

I'm fine thanks, still broke tho' with 2 boats now. You can't help me, help yourself.

- W

Helping myself usually far from my mind altho I have said on vhf I will go see Mike tomorrow since his wife died as on my earlier post... otherwise since we’re not allowed to go anywhere it’s gonna be easiest to stay on the boat.

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[sailaboutvic]

for crying out loud , give it a rest guys .

 

[lonederanger]

"for crying out loud , give it a rest guys" .

Well said

 

[geem]

We are now quarantined on our boats here in Carriacou. We cant go ashore. We havent been told how long we have to stay quarantined. We can order supplies of food, fuel, etc from supermarkets. Stuff will be delivered to the marina pontoon for us to collect. About 130 yachts still here, all quarantined. Has thinned out some as yachts headed for Grenada.
We have different rules here compared to Grenada even though we are in the same country. In Grenada yachties can go ashore. As long as the quarantine doesnt last too long then we plan to stay here. 1 case of virus in Grenada so far. Al ports of entry closed and last commercial flight out is 25th March. After that everybody is stuck here. Lots of yachties complaining they want to go home. How do you get those people home when the country is locked down? How do you get them home when some may have the virus and not know it? The whole process but lots of people at risk. I think we are probably safe here for now. We have been sailing the dinghy around the anchorage, swimming off the boat and doing boat jobs.

 

[Zing]

We are now quarantined on our boats here in Carriacou. We cant go ashore. We havent been told how long we have to stay quarantined. We can order supplies of food, fuel, etc from supermarkets. Stuff will be delivered to the marina pontoon for us to collect. About 130 yachts still here, all quarantined. Has thinned out some as yachts headed for Grenada.
We have different rules here compared to Grenada even though we are in the same country. In Grenada yachties can go ashore. As long as the quarantine doesnt last too long then we plan to stay here. 1 case of virus in Grenada so far. Al ports of entry closed and last commercial flight out is 25th March. After that everybody is stuck here. Lots of yachties complaining they want to go home. How do you get those people home when the country is locked down? How do you get them home when some may have the virus and not know it? The whole process but lots of people at risk. I think we are probably safe here for now. We have been sailing the dinghy around the anchorage, swimming off the boat and doing boat jobs.

That sounds like the island has decided to isolate itself. If that was the plan they won’t monitor how long you are in quarantine, so won’t know or care if you arrived today or two weeks ago? I hope your fishing skills are good.

 

[geem]

That sounds like the island has decided to isolate itself. If that was the plan they won’t monitor how long you are in quarantine, so won’t know or care if you arrived today or two weeks ago? I hope your fishing skills are good.

To be fair they island here doesnt have the facilities to monitor, manage and control individuals off yachts. They really dont have a choice other than blanket quarantine. There will be people who have been here a day and those that have been here a month all subject to the same rules. We were here five days before the rules were put in place. If they keep us quarantined for two weeks then let us go ashore then they know we are all virus free. We will see.
Supermarkets shelf were all well stocked, supply boat has been in and most yachty liveaboards have plenty of food onboard. As I said we can have food delivered

 

[sailaboutvic]

To be fair they island here doesnt have the facilities to monitor, manage and control individuals off yachts. They really dont have a choice other than blanket quarantine. There will be people who have been here a day and those that have been here a month all subject to the same rules. We were here five days before the rules were put in place. If they keep us quarantined for two weeks then let us go ashore then they know we are all virus free. We will see.
Supermarkets shelf were all well stocked, supply boat has been in and most yachty liveaboards have plenty of food onboard. As I said we can have food delivered

Hang on in there , that's all we can do. Being able to swim is some thing at less the body gets some excises,
I don't think I walked to the toilet block as much as I walked the last few days just to stretch the legs,

 

[geem]

Hang on in there , that's all we can do. Being able to swim is some thing at less the body gets some excises,
I don't think I walked to the toilet block as much as I walked the last few days just to stretch the legs,

We also sailing the dinghy about the anchorage. We are allowed to that. Getting lots of waves from people stuck on their yachts.
Its better than sitting about. Also been doing exercises and stretches on the foredeck to try and keep fit. Our dogs cant understand whats going on. They are not allowed ashore and dont like to toilet on the boat so they are miserable.

 

[Cin70]

We just returned from Turks and caicos and it's very empty. Bedlam at the airport. Our friends are still there and hoping to get out to the USA before June to satisfy insurance conditions. I don't somehow think that's going to happen. Managed to get a flight out of Miami yesterday and can confirm they don't have a clue. I had hand gel thankfully but it's going to spread through the USA like an Aussie bushfire judging by the practices we saw.

 

[Zing]

I had a chat yesterday with my pal in Antigua. It seems that life is mostly carrying on more or less as normal with the locals. Only one case recorded. Unlikely if that is all there is. When it spreads and people fear a lockdown then there will be panic buying. No food in the shops and a week to wait for new provisions on the ship from Florida. Hunger, maybe coupled with no money.

All the tourists are leaving or have gone. Flights in are empty, flights out are full. Boats have left or are going into storage. Sea shipping transport boats are full and have left. Boat yards are all full. Soon the money will stop. It’s a bad recipe. No money for food and no food anyway maybe even if you could pay for it. Then the death and misery from a rampant epidemic spread amongst people who live with little social distance and have a very weak health system.

Of course, I may be wrong about everything. I hope so. Still, I’m pretty sure I won’t use my ticket there next week.