Are we on high alert?

[Tomahawk]

Yes they have, they know it cannot be done and the death toll will be far too high fior public consumption.

The real question is shether the economic carnage is higher than the death toll of people who will die in short order anyway.
Ths virus mostly kills people who are retired. Yet the government is slaughtering the futures kf the young for the sake of the NHS...

S means Service... not State.

 

[tillergirl]

I'm sorry. I had lost the attention of the thread for a while on account of my age. Should I be put out with the rubbish on Thursday morning with the other stuff instead of delaying and destroying society and hindering the young?

 

[seivadnehpets]

I'm sorry. I had lost the attention of the thread for a while on account of my age. Should I be put out with the rubbish on Thursday morning with the other stuff instead of delaying and destroying society and hindering the young?

Nobody has said that.

But as life expectancy increases the birth rate goes down. Life becomes more of a luxury for the few, it should be enjoyed as such, and not become a torment. This is a difficult balance.

 

[johnalison]

Nobody has said that.

But as life expectancy increases the birth rate goes down. Life becomes more of a luxury for the few, it should be enjoyed as such, and not become a torment. This is a difficult balance.

I contrive to restore the balance by indulging in one of my few remaining pleasures by tormenting the young.

 

[Chalk]

Two things strike me, the fact that he bemoans the lack of immunoligists and lists all sorts of other sage members, conveniently leaving out the inclusion of epidemiologists, who are surely more relevant than immunologists? And his claim that 30% of the pop has prior immunity. It is completely impossible to ascertain this, and the only method availabl is the one he decries sage for using to calc % of pop infected.

Actually the third thing is more telling, why call for the immediate dissolution of Sage if he just thinks they have made two wrong assumptions? Instead of trying to convince others the starting point is wrong? That smells very political to me.

Scientists disagree all the time, which is great, it's what makes them research and research ad test and test again so they can prove their theories and persuade their peers.

The body of science currently believes otherwise, so I think I will err on the side of caution and go with their assumptions rather than his.

But even more telling, is the fact that a Tory government, the party of austerity, the party of winner takes all and damn the losers, has spent soooo much money on what are basically socialist projects. That on it's own is enough to make me think this stuff is very serious indeed, otherwise they simply wouldn't give a shit!

Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

 

[pvb]

The real question is shether the economic carnage is higher than the death toll of people who will die in short order anyway.
Ths virus mostly kills people who are retired. Yet the government is slaughtering the futures kf the young for the sake of the NHS...

S means Service... not State.

The median age of those dying from coronavirus is 82 years. That's higher than average life expectancy, which is about 81 years.

People who die from coronavirus would normally have been expected to die shortly anyway, from other underlying medical conditions.

Sheltering the most vulnerable and letting the rest of us get on with our lives would have been the most sensible course.

Fans of lockdown trot out the old "you can't put a price on life" argument. But this is fatally flawed because we already do put a price on life. NICE decides whether it's economically justified to spend money on expensive life-extending drugs.

 

[Tomahawk]

I would suggest that NICE is not being very nice to people who are loosing their jobs and whose future is being well and truly screwed by lockdown...

And I am one of those for whom lockdown offers the most benefit because I have an underlying lung condition and would almost certainly need intensive hospital care when ... not if... I finally get it. Because unless there is a vaccine, or everyone around me gets it and is no longer able to pass it on, (ie herd immunity), get it I will at some time.

Yet even though this is all for my benefit, I would have things very different. Let the young get on with their lives. Let them work and stop ruining their futures. I don't much mix with 20 and 30 somethings (now 60 plus) so it is not likely to be a problem if the younger ones go out and work.. party.. fall in love and make babies..

 

[steve yates]

Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

Yes I get the logic, and it might be correct. BUT, the guy in your previous link lambasted the studies used to determine % of pop infected because the sample sizes were way too small. Fair enough, but they were far larger than the ones quoted in your link, 68 people? The original link does raise some intersting questions, its a shame he doesn't sound unbiased.

 

[Capt Popeye]

I'm sorry. I had lost the attention of the thread for a while on account of my age. Should I be put out with the rubbish on Thursday morning with the other stuff instead of delaying and destroying society and hindering the young?

Ah well, think it best if you await your Council instructions on 'Day of Collection' otherwise you just might have to sit there all week on your own, or maybe not on your own, others in similar possition just might also have got their Week or Day of collection wrong ?

 

[DavidofMersea]

The median age of those dying from coronavirus is 82 years. That's higher than average life expectancy, which is about 81 years.

Where did you get those figures from? Life expectancy rises with age, so talking about "Average" is nonsense. You could say "life expectancy at birth", which might be where your 81 years comes from

 

[seivadnehpets]

It also depends on postcode. Where I work, SW2, Brixton, Saaf London, it is much lower.
Life expectancy from birth is the only fair comparison to make, but it's all really just playing with numbers.

 

[Birdseye]

Just seen a comment that Essex CC are waving their willies about?

Isnt that normal for Essex? Thats when bags of chips get dropped.

 

[SaltIre]

More crap.
Next thing will be harbours closing and banning sailing again

They should keep harbours open to facilitate burial at sea - it'll ease the load on Grave Diggers and Crematoria.