AndersG
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Stamps are irrelevant. Did they scan your passport when you left?
They did, on exit from Greece and entry to the UK, but I have been told that as yet there is no shared data for entry and exit. Until ETIAS is up and running we will have to rely on stamps? I hope your right though.Stamps are irrelevant. Did they scan your passport when you left?
We made sure we were stamped into and out of France. My condolences.Just returned from 3 weeks sailing in Greece. Stamped into Greece on arrival so this will start the 180 day count down. Not stamped out in Greece on our way home, and no stamp in at UK border control.
So going by the passport stamp we are still in Greece, this means we are still using our Shengen allowance and in turn we will be wasting valuable days allowance. How do you stop and start the 90/180 days?
Hope this makes sense and I'm not repeating a question already asked.
Stamps are irrelevant. Did they scan your passport when you left?
Stamps are at present your only (concrete) way to defend yourself if challenged.
A couple of weeks ago it was quite a palava flying from Paris to Thessaloniki. At check-in they wanted an EU covid pass or a very recent official test result and a passenger locator form as well as passports. On arrival in Greece they very carefully checked all that all over again.Lets see what happens at Faro on Sunday. I'm resident here in Portugal and am flying to Germany via Netherlands. Previously, prior to brexit, there wasn't even a passport check on that flight for us other than at checkin. I suspect that nothing will have changed so we'll see what happens.
As ive said before, Portugal computer recognises my passport and the fact that i have residence papers. The stamp is a red herring, the computer reader is the final authorityWhile I am concerned about the 90/180 i am more concerned about the way travel documentation is being used as an automatic situation with immediate spin-off instructions. My flight to Greece was for 27th July. All plans made and bags packed when I got an urgent message email and text from SASAirlines just 24 hours earlier on the 26th July. They stated that new compliance with the rules meant that I could not get my boarding pass until the airline had received and validated the Covid passport and PLF acceptance. I had to send them by camera or file to email to get my boarding pass. No boarding pass no flight for anyone. I received a quick reply in about 4 hours that my photo was too fuzzy to read by their Qrcode reader. They asked I photo the complete passport, Nd also sign the form giving SAS permission to access my medical records. I sent them six copies. A reply soon arrived that they had verified the documents and I had permission to download my boarding pass.
Next year when all the software is up and running for Schengen I expect everyone including member state residents to have their passports stamped on entry to other and possible resident states because the software will have the data on file to ignore the stamps via bimetric scanning of residents passports and in one swoop solve the confusion at border crossings. Until next year don't worry.
Edit the inside boat temp is down to 35C so I am off to get some sleep if possible. 2am here.
My narrative was to show a Schengen to Schengine transit across two borders. I was not asked fpr my passport. The only officials I met were airport staff in Denmark and a half a dozen police in Greece. I was not asked for my residence card either. My return will no doubt be similar. Unless I make it out of the EU somewhere.As ive said before, Portugal computer recognises my passport and the fact that i have residence papers. The stamp is a red herring, the computer reader is the final autho
Looking good thenMy narrative was to show a Schengen to Schengine transit across two borders. I was not asked fpr my passport. The only officials I met were airport staff in Denmark and a half a dozen police in Greece. I was not asked for my residence card either. My return will no doubt be similar. Unless I make it out of the EU somewhere.
The rules are simple. EU immigration holds the 3rd country traveler responsible for providing proof. There is only one type of proof. That is an EU stamp, either in or out. You are responsible for getting the requisite stamps. A stamp by UK immigration has no validity in the EU. It is not accepted as proof, neither are receipts, paid parking fines or any other type of 3rd party document.Don't know if this reply is directed at me, but I will answer as if it is. I'm well aware of the necessary travel arrangements that were required to visit Greece while we (UK) were part of the European Union. As you say Schengen has been in place for many years and even though we (UK) were not part of it we did have rights to travel and work in Schengen countries without having to abide by a 90/180 day rule. It is since Brexit that problems have started with no one actually knowing what proof is required to stop/start the 90/180 day rule.
As I mentioned in my original post, we had our passports stamped on entry to Greece and I actually thought our passports would be stamped on entry back in to the UK, to prove we had left Schengen, this is not the case and the very nice border control man at Manchester didn't know what to suggest, that is why I have asked the question. Oh and by the way, I'm not looking for sympathy, just some advice.
The rules are simple. EU immigration holds the 3rd country traveler responsible for providing proof. There is only one type of proof. That is an EU stamp, either in or out. You are responsible for getting the requisite stamps. A stamp by UK immigration has no validity in the EU. It is not accepted as proof, neither are receipts, paid parking fines or any other type of 3rd party document.
If a Traveller embarks on a Flight out of Schengen it is the responsibility of that member state to log that event using the passport biometric stuff that is scanned from the passport. The stamp in a Passport is a Legacy of old procedures. Useful in a way but unnecessary with todays data banks. The stamp is not proof because it in no way can the stamp alone log you out of Schengen data base. It is their problem. If you have proof that you took that flight and arrived in UK then there is no problem.The rules are simple. EU immigration holds the 3rd country traveler responsible for providing proof. There is only one type of proof. That is an EU stamp, either in or out. You are responsible for getting the requisite stamps. A stamp by UK immigration has no validity in the EU. It is not accepted as proof, neither are receipts, paid parking fines or any other type of 3rd party document.