sailaboutvic
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these are people we met some years back.
Use a perventer guys .
Anatomy of a Tragedy at Sea - Blue Water Sailing
Use a perventer guys .
Anatomy of a Tragedy at Sea - Blue Water Sailing
they did!these are people we met some years back.
Use a perventer guys .
Anatomy of a Tragedy at Sea - Blue Water Sailing
Did I suggest they didnt?they did!
reef early is probably a better suggestion.
Very sad, and yes it's very easy to get caught out.Did I suggest they didnt?
Of cause reef early but its easy to get caught out .
Yes, that was my main take-away too. All sheets can be dangerous and best located out of the way, but I hadn’t fully appreciated how much greater the danger is with a centrally located point. Clearly a big length of rope whipping across from an uncontrolled boom in a storm is going to be deadly to anyone nearby, even at at the helm or at the rear of the cockpit.This is why I never liked boats with the main sheet/traveller in the middle of the cockpit. Fine maybe for Sunday racing around the buoys, but for cruising long distance it's a constant source of danger you need to be acutely aware of. When you're very tired and/or?hits the fan, it's easy for this awareness to fade and go terribly wrong in mere moments.
Looking at this CNB66 cockpit, it seems exceptionally ill suited for going offshore in rough weather. Wide open spaces to cross with handholds far apart, low coamings to tumble out of and sharp corners to crack your ribs on. It looks nice for a sundowner though, which is probably what sells it.
Single handed sailing is not really a problem, and sometimes better than trying to educate someone at a time of concentration.Advert on ybw banner for a 595 oyster with one man on the helm and female crew lounging on lee cockpit cushion,everything seemably in control have we gone too far in yacht design in encouraging the idea that technology an make sea going practical for a small crew
Sadly some in boom furling systems are so critical with criteria for a good furl ,it’s not always possible in even in benign conditions to get a decent reef .
My experience has led me to have a deep distrust of their reliability.
Night time reefing in stormy conditions ,the sail cannot be reduced quickly enough .
I don’t think I would recommend or fit ,on a Blue water yacht .
Deeply saddened to hear of Karl and Annmarie death.
Very sad, and yes it's very easy to get caught out.
First for me is for any voyage over 36 hours maximum I would want minimum 6 crew to ensure good rest periods.
Yes reef early, what's the rush,
better 6knots overnight than have panic.
The sea doesn't take prisoners, its dangerous, err on the side of caution, then err a bit more.
When you are in weather like described in the link and big confused seas, it's not sleep, its sheer exhaustion.On a 60 footer maybe. But on typical mid sized yachts a crew of three gets you 6 hrs sleep a night, with plenty of opportunity to catch up during the day.
Yes I agree, armchair sailors with hindsight, but something was seriously wrong for two people to sustain life threatening injuries in succession, and eventually dieIt’s easy to be wise after the event. To my mind, they didn’t doing things terribly wrong. They just got terribly unlucky.
No, that’s bad engineering.Yes I agree, armchair sailors with hindsight, but something was seriously wrong for two people to sustain life threatening injuries in succession, and eventually die
Is unlucky?
If the keel had fallen off that's unlucky.
Actually, yes and it can be a right gefaffle, precisely because the boom has to have the exact angle for it to work flawlessly. The margins of misalignment of said angle are quite small. A reefing system that does not work perfectly and particularly in the "worst of conditions", is not worth it's money and definitely not 140 K.Have you actually used an in-boom furler? Provided you have the correct boom angle it’s easy to reef quickly. Quicker, in fact, than many other reefing systems.
Getting the boom angle correct is also relatively easy if you fit an angle indicator onto the vang. If you don’t pay attention to boom angle and do get a jam, it’s usually at the equivalent point of a 3rd reef. So not a catastrophe in all but the worst conditions.
Our boat has in-cockpit controls, so reefing by the single person on watch is perfectly doable. But no boat, including ours, will reef with the main still powered.
Having said all that, the helming positions on the CNB 66 look horrendously exposed. What’s even more difficult to understand is a £140k electric furling system that isn’t controlled from the cockpit.
Finally, a mainsheet that comprises just a single turn around a single block - WTF.