BabySharkDooDooDooDooDoo
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If the new regulations require the police to "escort" you home then I forsee practical problems if they are faced with multiple transgressions from people living some distance away
Indeed, but not our problem!If the new regulations require the police to "escort" you home then I forsee practical problems if they are faced with multiple transgressions from people living some distance away
The reasonable excuses included in the amendment to the regulations do not explicitly exclude other reasonable excuses. However, in the context of overnight stays on a boat, the reasonable excuse would have to, in the first instance, satisfy a police officer and, perhaps later, a magistrate.
An attempt to use an "excuse" would have to satisfy the legal definition of reasonable as applied in court. In other words, what would a law-abiding, averagely intelligent person do, think or say.
If the new regulations require the police to "escort" you home then I forsee practical problems if they are faced with multiple transgressions from people living some distance away
In terms of the likely risk I agree with you, however it's not me you have to convince.Quite so.
And this generally law-abiding, averagely intelligent person thinks that an anchored boat surrounded by hundreds of metres of empty seawater in all directions is quite clearly posing no risk of transferring any infection, the reason for which, let us not forget, the regulations exist. And therefore its presence there is reasonable.
You're also quite right that in practice what matters is attitudes to enforcement. We only have a couple of weeks' experience of that so far, but that experience is of boats anchoring in all the "standard" Solent anchorages and being left sensibly alone. And it would seem quite perverse for the police to ignore beaches packed shoulder-to-shoulder yet head out to harass yachts at night.
Pete
And hopefully terms like "policing by consent", "waste of resources", and "public ridicule" might occur to the relevant chief constable.In terms of the likely risk I agree with you, however it's not me you have to convince.
Beaches are generally empty at night and police do run night shifts. The phrase " low hanging fruit " comes to mind.
" May " in this sense means " has the power to ".They don't require the Police to escort you home, it says "may" etc
Why? An offence will apparently have been committed and his/her officers will be enforcing the legislation. Frankly the public and press wouldn't care about what they might view as " rich yotties", so neither will any Chief Constable.And hopefully terms like "policing by consent", "waste of resources", and "public ridicule" might occur to the relevant chief constable.
My reading of the new regulations is that they are a badly written attempt to stop people staying with mates or family (with specific exceptions) or using 2nd homes.Quite so.
And this generally law-abiding, averagely intelligent person thinks that an anchored boat surrounded by hundreds of metres of empty seawater in all directions is quite clearly posing no risk of transferring any infection, the reason for which, let us not forget, the regulations exist. And therefore its presence there is reasonable.
You're also quite right that in practice what matters is attitudes to enforcement. We only have a couple of weeks' experience of that so far, but that experience is of boats anchoring in all the "standard" Solent anchorages and being left sensibly alone. And it would seem quite perverse for the police to ignore beaches packed shoulder-to-shoulder yet head out to harass yachts at night.
Pete
They had a point when the epidemic started, not least because of knowledge and the number of unknowns and it was winter so the hospitals were under pressure. The health care system isn't usually under pressure in summer, even in holiday areas, which makes the arguments even less convincing. Furthermore we now know enough to be able to react to any outbreak quickly.I consider that argument is a load of bolleaux..
In normal times the holiday homes and camp sites are full all summer.. People staying in them suffer the normal incidences of illness and problems and need local hospital services. The health services are geared up for normal summer ... Stopping people moving out to their holiday accommodation actually increases pressure on the health services in the cities.
A friend of mine spent a couple of nights anchored at Pottery Quay this weekend and reported no sign of the Harbour Master throwing people off moorings.Anyone considering staying aboard overnight on swinging moorings be aware that in Poole the Harbour Master is reported to monitor the swinging moorings in the HM launch and send potential over nighters home. Guess it is an anomaly of the umbrella rules that marinas and other close quarters moorings have on the general no overnight stays anywhere.
The regulations do not limit the time or distance involved in recreation for physical, mental and emotional well-being. There is no mention of overnight stays, so if an overnight stay is deemed necessary by an individual for the above reasons, it is not explicitly prohibited.
In fact, as far as I can see, provided one believed it was necessary to ones' well-being, one could travel to ones' boat in France without contravening UK law.
See Governemnt guidleines published 31st May: Staying alert and safe (social distancing)
From Section 2:
"It is important that everyone continues to act responsibly in public places, as the large majority have done to date. The infection rate will increase if people begin to break the rules. It will remain prohibited in law for people to:
It is an offence to breach these restrictions and the police and local authorities have the powers to enforce the requirements."
- visit friends and family inside their homes or spend time indoors with anyone you do not live with - subject to limited exceptions, for example, for work, providing emergency assistance or caring for the vulnerable
- spend time outdoors, including for exercise, in groups greater than six people - subject to limited exceptions. You should continue to practise social distancing with anyone from outside your household, including while playing sport
- stay overnight away from home - subject to limited exceptions, including for work, funerals or avoiding harm
- incite others to commit one of the above offences, for example by inviting people to a party
- threaten others with infection by coronavirus, for example by coughing or spitting in their direction
Hi Jumbleduck, could you PM me as if possible, I'd like to ask you about Port Bannatyne marina . Sorry, as a new member here it seems I either don't have rights to PM or (far more likely) am failing the technological competence test. ThanksI had this in an email from Port Bannatyne marina on Friday: "Toilets are open although will be closed periodically during the day for cleaning"