How to identify Avon Redstart from Redcrest?

[mogmog2]

A lot of listings don't specify & the listers don't seem to think size matters...

Faced with photos of a grey blob, with no useful scaling references (eg it's on a lawn) are there any giveaway features on either?

Many thanks
Jonathan

 

[VicS]

A lot of listings don't specify & the listers don't seem to think size matters...

Faced with photos of a grey blob, with no useful scaling references (eg it's on a lawn) are there any giveaway features on either?

Many thanks
Jonathan

Got an old brochure here

Pretty much the same appearance wise unless you can get the dimensions

Older versions( with pointed bow) are 2.5 m x 1.22m and 2.82m x 1.37m respectively

IIRC later versions of the Redstart, maybe also the Redcrest, had a square bow like the Avon 7 . Not sure if they were the same length as the older ones or slightly shorter

 

[VicS]

 

[Kelpie]

They are spelt differently.

 

[pvb]

A lot of listings don't specify & the listers don't seem to think size matters...

I'd be wary; a lot of listers probably don't know which they've got! Overall size is the only way to check.

 

[davidej]

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They don't look right without a British Seagull at the stern

 

[Robin]

They don't look right without a British Seagull at the stern

Or better still a scantily clad bird in the bow.

 

[mogmog2]

Or better still a scantily clad bird in the bow.

I'll have to put that to the Mrs...

 

[Sailingsaves]

Are the inflation valves not in different places? So if photos are displayed you can tell by that. Sorry, I can't remember the location of Redstart valves compared to Redcrest valves, but Google may help.

Ask here?

http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?442421-Avon-Redcrest-with-a-FREE-Avon-Redstart

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f337/Vic43/Forums 2011/AvonSpecs.jpg~original

https://www.gumtree.com/p/boats-kay...inghy-tender-with-outboard-bracket/1136453643

https://www.gumtree.com/p/boats-kay...est-inflatable-dinghy-tender-2.7m-/1117866733

Redstart has valve on inside of transom, Redcrest does not (has it on stbd side).

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=a...b1AKHUdsAPgQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1366&bih=588#imgrc=_

 

[alteredoutlook]

A lot of listings don't specify & the listers don't seem to think size matters...

Faced with photos of a grey blob, with no useful scaling references (eg it's on a lawn) are there any giveaway features on either?

Many thanks
Jonathan

Why care? The quality of (some!) other inflatables (whether pvc or hyperlon) is now equally good.....and with better designs e.g. inflatable floors. Surely you don't want a 20 or 30 year old dinghy?

(I think now ive set the blue touch paper alight I'll stand back.....)

 

[mogmog2]

Why care? The quality of (some!) other inflatables (whether pvc or hyperlon) is now equally good.....and with better designs e.g. inflatable floors. Surely you don't want a 20 or 30 year old dinghy?

(I think now ive set the blue touch paper alight I'll stand back.....)

Well done! Take the rest of the day off.

The PVC ones I've used are bl**dy heavy & stiff to fold. And that's in the warmer weather.
No, I don't want a 30 year old boat, but I can't afford a new one. Happy now.

 

[mogmog2]

SS,

Are the inflation valves not in different places? So if photos are displayed you can tell by that. Sorry, I can't remember the location of Redstart valves compared to Redcrest valves, but Google may help.

Thanks, that's the thinking I'm after.
Cheers.

 

[VicS]

SS,
Thanks, that's the thinking I'm after.
Cheers.

But I think the position of the valves may have changed with time .

The only sure way of distinguishing them is to ask for the overall length

 

[NUTMEG]

A couple of years ago I bought off of eBay a really nice Redstart. Floors, sprayhood, outboard bracket, oars, the works. No patches and very little use, in fact it is like new. Paid cash, the boat was all packed up in original bag.

Got it back to big boat and blew it up. Bloody enormous! Turns out I had a Redcrest.

Plenty of room for everything including the kitchen sink but a bugger to row and hard to steer with the Seagull on the back.

I should have returned it but...

So, be warned, they are easy to confuse.

 

[eddystone]

Why care? The quality of (some!) other inflatables (whether pvc or hyperlon) is now equally good.....and with better designs e.g. inflatable floors. Surely you don't want a 20 or 30 year old dinghy?

(I think now ive set the blue touch paper alight I'll stand back.....)

Well actually yes I'd rather have my ancient Hypalon Redcrest than my much younger PVC Waveline - not least because i could get the Avon refurbed if needed, with the Waveline, I'd just drop it in a skip.

 

[mogmog2]

A couple of years ago I bought off of eBay a really nice Redstart. Floors, sprayhood, outboard bracket, oars, the works. No patches and very little use, in fact it is like new. Paid cash, the boat was all packed up in original bag.

Got it back to big boat and blew it up. Bloody enormous! Turns out I had a Redcrest.

Plenty of room for everything including the kitchen sink but a bugger to row and hard to steer with the Seagull on the back.

I should have returned it but...

So, be warned, they are easy to confuse.

I know what I want, it's the dippy sellers who don't know what they have! Grrr.
I'm the other way round I want a Redcrest...

 

[Daydream believer]

Why care? The quality of (some!) other inflatables (whether pvc or hyperlon) is now equally good.....and with better designs e.g. inflatable floors. Surely you don't want a 20 or 30 year old dinghy?

(I think now ive set the blue touch paper alight I'll stand back.....)

Of course he does the Avon will still be going when the others are long gone. The Avon rows better as well. My one (& yes it is a Redcrest, I upgraded from a black 11 year old Redstart) is now 49 years old & still going strong.

 

[Goldie]

Not much use I suspect, but if there's a pair of webbing attachments for a seat at the FORWARD end, then it's a Redseal of about 10 ft - the next size up from the Redcrest. There was also a Redshank which I think had two inflatable thwarts and was also about 12 feet long. AFAIK the only difference between Redcrest and Redstart is length - a little over 9ft and a little over 8 ft. There was originally a label on the inside of the tube at the aft end which should still be readable on a little used example.

I have a virtually unused (in the water once, maybe twice) late model Redcrest (squared of bow, bigger tubes, fiberglass o/b bracket and slatted floor) which I may think about selling as it's effectively surplus to requirements but it would be just above the forum limit hence I haven't thought about advertising it here. These things were way >£1000 new when they ceased building them. They last forever though, I'm still using the Redcrest that I bought new in 1984 (one of the reasons that I might part with the newer one) !

 

[zoidberg]

Inherited one of those Avon Red.... thingys from very elderly F-in-L. I had it checked out by pro 'RibRight' who advised it was Hypalon therefore tough as old boots, scarcely used, and good for half a lifetime. The two quite decent PVC dinks I have won't last nearly as long.

I came close to giving it away.....

 

[dutyhog]

The old brochure I have shows a GRP seat at the bows on the Redcrest, but not on the Redstart.
Our Redstart was stolen recently - the first dinghy to be taken from the shore at our mooring association. I liked the old thing, and even though covered in patches it had no leaks at all this summer. Now we need another dinghy, preferably less attractive to steal, but I don't fancy PVC.