Falling Star
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Does anyone know if the Phantom 37 or 38 was ever fitted with alternative engines to Volvo?
Fairline Phantom question
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Firefly625
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volvopaul
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Both models also had the choice of Caterpilar 3116 engines rated at 355hp.
There both quick boats with the 63p engines in.
volvopaul
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Before you dismiss Volvo I'd get services quotes from Finnings should you decide on Cat engines and ask them about travelling time charges, this will make your eyes water.
PowerYachtBlog
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We have a few Phantom 37 here, 1 with Cats 306hp, another with 355hp, and another with Volvo 318hp 63. This Volvo 318hp is a 1996 with side transom door.
The boat with Volvo's 318hp was of a friend of myn from new till 2001 and really used to go fast reach over 31 knots top speed at the time loaded and cruising at 25/26 knots easy.
But the boat suffered to go on the plane and Fairline never really solved the problem for him, after three years of prop modification. They did reduce it a bit though.
He previously had a 37 Phan from 1994 with Cats 306hp which got lost in an accident less then a year old. This one used to plane as if fouling did not exist in the med. The Cat boat reached 30 knots new.
Second owner also a friend created a flap above the tunnel which apparently solved the problem.
Important to know the Fairline 37 Phantom has the hull of the 36 Corsica with the engines moved a couple of feet backwards to accommodate a larger guest cabin, which also make it prone to riding higher I add more prove to bow higher. The 36 Corsica had an impressive hull, which in the 37 Phan lost some of its qualities.
The 38 Phantom which replaced the 37 is a great boat, still fantastic for its size and its only really competitors would be the Princess 40 and the Azimut 39. Wins hands down on flybridge layout.
I never saw them powered by anything else other then the Volvo 63Ps 370hp which should is good for 30 knots mid 20s cruise.
The boat with Volvo's 318hp was of a friend of myn from new till 2001 and really used to go fast reach over 31 knots top speed at the time loaded and cruising at 25/26 knots easy.
But the boat suffered to go on the plane and Fairline never really solved the problem for him, after three years of prop modification. They did reduce it a bit though.
He previously had a 37 Phan from 1994 with Cats 306hp which got lost in an accident less then a year old. This one used to plane as if fouling did not exist in the med. The Cat boat reached 30 knots new.
Second owner also a friend created a flap above the tunnel which apparently solved the problem.
Important to know the Fairline 37 Phantom has the hull of the 36 Corsica with the engines moved a couple of feet backwards to accommodate a larger guest cabin, which also make it prone to riding higher I add more prove to bow higher. The 36 Corsica had an impressive hull, which in the 37 Phan lost some of its qualities.
The 38 Phantom which replaced the 37 is a great boat, still fantastic for its size and its only really competitors would be the Princess 40 and the Azimut 39. Wins hands down on flybridge layout.
I never saw them powered by anything else other then the Volvo 63Ps 370hp which should is good for 30 knots mid 20s cruise.
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Falling Star
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I'm a bit wary of these Volvos due to reported smoke issues on the TAMD63p's. My current boat has a KAMD43p which I'm happy with.
Have been looking at Sealines but they are often fitted with KAMD42's which I've read can have reliability problems. Then the 44's need the valves adjusting frequently........
D4's would be good but they only seem to be on later boats so out of my budget sadly.
Not sure where to go with this.
Bottom line is I'm looking for a 37/38 foot flybridge on shafts with a good engine installation for sub £100k.
Have been looking at Sealines but they are often fitted with KAMD42's which I've read can have reliability problems. Then the 44's need the valves adjusting frequently........
D4's would be good but they only seem to be on later boats so out of my budget sadly.
Not sure where to go with this.
Bottom line is I'm looking for a 37/38 foot flybridge on shafts with a good engine installation for sub £100k.
Bandit
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My last boat had 63p's 2001 to 2007 and current boat also has 63p's 2007 to 2016 an excellent robust and simple engine its a shame they stopped making them.
Look after them well and they will look after you.
If you get a secondhand boat with 63's in get the fuel pumps properly set up and new injectors if you need to. They are not a smokey engine at all and a lot of the problems were air flow after the exhausts causing soot on the transom.
The Fairlines generally had swan neck underwater exhaust outlets.
CAT parts availability is not ex stock but to order generally and servicing costs are astronomical. If you go main dealer servicing Cat dealers are in Poole, Bristol and Midlands Volvo Penta dealers are all over the place ( with a much better parts back up) which is probably why Volvo Penta 63p's out sold the Cat engines many times over.
I would also say that a Fairline with the right HP Volvo Penta engines in is easier to sell than a Cat or Cummins powered one.
Look after them well and they will look after you.
If you get a secondhand boat with 63's in get the fuel pumps properly set up and new injectors if you need to. They are not a smokey engine at all and a lot of the problems were air flow after the exhausts causing soot on the transom.
The Fairlines generally had swan neck underwater exhaust outlets.
CAT parts availability is not ex stock but to order generally and servicing costs are astronomical. If you go main dealer servicing Cat dealers are in Poole, Bristol and Midlands Volvo Penta dealers are all over the place ( with a much better parts back up) which is probably why Volvo Penta 63p's out sold the Cat engines many times over.
I would also say that a Fairline with the right HP Volvo Penta engines in is easier to sell than a Cat or Cummins powered one.
jfm
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I had a phantom 42, new, 1999 till 2003, with 63p Volvos. Nice engines and a fast boat. There was soot on transom after a long run, but not heavy. It just comes with the territory on boats/engines of that era and is nothing to worry about imho
volvopaul
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After selling my last boat a Phantom 43 I too am in the same buying price bracket as you, there isn't much around at the moment in the uk. Princess 40 is my number 1 choice at the moment with a slight taste for a white hulled late Phantom 38.
I didn't realise the Phantom 37 was oh so different in its engine location to the earlier Corsica , I nearly bought a Corsica way back with the Vetus Cummins units in , a great base motor with poor cooling I'm told at the time , I gave it a bum steer in the end and bought a Princess 410 which in my view is now a fantastic boat fir the money, look at the one in Jersey at £85k vat paid, it was owned by a friend so has a good history.
Whitelighter
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Rightly or wrongly the P38 with the CATS suffers on resale - thats assuming you can find one. Its only an (eductaed) guess but i think 95% of P38 had the TAMD63 engine. Its a solid reliable motor and I would not be troubled by having one.
In your size bracket the Azimut 39 and 42 will have CAT engines - a 39 should easily be had for undr £100k, and you might pick up a 42. Think is you will almost certainly have to go abroad to Italy/France/Spain to find one in that bracket. In the UK the rarity seems to = exoticness with many owners asking stupid money for average boats
In your size bracket the Azimut 39 and 42 will have CAT engines - a 39 should easily be had for undr £100k, and you might pick up a 42. Think is you will almost certainly have to go abroad to Italy/France/Spain to find one in that bracket. In the UK the rarity seems to = exoticness with many owners asking stupid money for average boats
Falling Star
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So, as long as they are set up right, the Volvo 63p's are OK?
That certainly opens up the choice of boats to buy but I have to be realistic as to what we can handle. 38 foot would be tops.
Just 2 of us, both nearer 70 than 60. And the dog is no help at all.
That certainly opens up the choice of boats to buy but I have to be realistic as to what we can handle. 38 foot would be tops.
Just 2 of us, both nearer 70 than 60. And the dog is no help at all.
volvopaul
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In my view the 63p and 74/75 series motor were some of the best out there in the HP range.
neale
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What about a Sealine F37 with kamd43's. They are basically upgraded 42's and without the valve issues of the 44 and 300's.
Falling Star
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Yes, I would go for that. My Skilso 975 has a single KAMD43p and we've clocked up many hours with hardly any problems. Seems to be hardly stressed at our normal cruising revs of around 3k and we use less than 4 gall/hour.
Looked at a couple of F37's but 'er indoors prefers the F36 as it "has more cupboard space in the bedroom". Have to find one with 43's. Not many about.
PowerYachtBlog
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Azimut 42 do not exist much in Italy at 100k nowadays.
Cheapest are around 130k Euros for an average condition early models 1998 to 2002. They are very much in demand the 42s nowadays.
39s are going for 120k.
Market in Italy has stabilized a lot this year for popular boats, and the 42 is one of them.
Falling Star
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Duly noted.. Thank you Paul.
May I ask, are there any particular access problems with the 63p in a Phantom or Princess 38?
How about in a Sealine 360 with 43p's?
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timv
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The p38 previously with Ancasta with Cat 3116's is now my boat . To be honest out of choice I would have preferred Volvo's but the fact it had Cat's dropped it into my budget and I couldn't afford the price of a 38 with Volvos.The broker readily admitted he believed he could have sold it months previously with Volvos. On the first annual service with Finnings it reported a top speed of 31knts so it must be capable of that but so far I can't get more than about 27 however a very clever Volvo engineer of this parish may well have come up with the reason for that even from 200 miles away !!! Any further questions I can help with don't hesitate to ask
Tim
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Sailorsam101
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I'm sort in the same market as well.
I've looked at a lot and found that for a decent sub 40 ft fly you will need a budget of about 130k.
Yes there are some older boats like the Corsica about but they have he same faults that my targa 33 has...as in small beds that are daft shapes.
The main other deciding factor that rules a lot of boats out for me is the mounded rear platform. The sides are fully mounded meaning that it's impossible to step off th platform to either side...espically as my lady has short legs. Fine for the med but crap for the Solent.
So for me it's a P38 or P40.
I've looked at a lot and found that for a decent sub 40 ft fly you will need a budget of about 130k.
Yes there are some older boats like the Corsica about but they have he same faults that my targa 33 has...as in small beds that are daft shapes.
The main other deciding factor that rules a lot of boats out for me is the mounded rear platform. The sides are fully mounded meaning that it's impossible to step off th platform to either side...espically as my lady has short legs. Fine for the med but crap for the Solent.
So for me it's a P38 or P40.
Whitelighter
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£130k will buy a later phantom 40.
Phantom 38s may well be asking north of £100k but in reality most are not worth that (perhaps very late 03 boats might broach £100k)
Phantom 38s may well be asking north of £100k but in reality most are not worth that (perhaps very late 03 boats might broach £100k)
